> > In all other crises, the > >alleged crisis-causer must be aided and abetted by those with whom he > >argues. > > I agree.
Uh John uh, I think Marvin's point was that it takes two to tango and that you were out there on the floor during this little dust up. I will disregard the rest of this post as it is not in the spirit of what I believe that Marvin was suggesting. > > Let's face it everyone - we've all agreed that Jeroen has acted extremely > inappropriately on this List and numerous occasions. We all agree that we > wish Jeroen would act like other List-Members, who upon realizing that they > have acted inappropriately, would apologize and earnestly try to not repeat > inappropriate actions. We all realize that in Jeroen's case the apologies > are not going to be forthcoming, and that the unsubstantiated and > gratuitous insult of the United States, Israel, and eventually, > list-members defending the United States and Israel is always just a few > places away. > > So, as I noted to Adam - when a poster has that kind of record, why don't > we just stop taking the insults especially when made against other list > members - seriously. We know the insult is coming, and we know that the > apology is never coming, so its probably time to stop recognizing his > insults as being of any consequence. I mean, a guy who insults the entire > List for simply believing that List Policy should operatie democratically > instead of authoritarianly, is that really a guy whose opinion matters to us? > > Additionally, just about everyone here has stopped taken Jeroen's posts on > Foreign Policy seriously. We know that Jeroen won't bother recognizing > the actual texts of the Oslo Accords when it comes to judging Israel's > actions, so why bother? We know that if the US doesn't attack a nation, > like Kosovo, he'll criticize the US for not getting involved, and when the > US does bomb a nation, he will criticizie the US for being war-mongering > and unilateral, we know that if the US asks NATO allies to help he will > accuse the US of trying to get Europe to fight its battles for it, and we > know that if the US does not ask NATO allies to help, he will accuse the US > of being unilateral (or of not recognizing the contributions of NATO's > allies.) Yes, we know that when it comes to Israel, the facts are > irrelevant, and when it comes to US policy, the only thing that is > consistent about his views is that the US is always wrong. So since > everyone recognizes that Jeroen's views are not to be taken seriously, I > think we all need to recognize the cases when people who are responding to > his views aren't taking him seriously either. And if you do that, I think > that everyone's blood pressure will stay a little lower. > > And in the meantime, those of us who enjoy posting on foreign policy on > this List (myself especially here), need to concentrate on making sure that > we devote a large fraction of our political/foreign policy posting time in > responses to posters who can be taken seriously. > > JDG > __________________________________________________________ > John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ICQ #3527685 > "Our campaign against international terrorism does not represent some > sort of 'clash of civilizations.' Instead, it is a clash between > civilization and those who would destroy it." -Amb. Richard N. Haass
