<< However, as a conservative I do not for the life of me understand *WHY* 

Israelis would trade land for security when they already have the *F____NG* 

security. If you honestly believe that rational statesmen trade land when 

they have absolutely *ZERO* incentive to do so then you are guilty of the 

worst wooly-headed, liberal, utopianism.  In my world view neither Israeli 

nor Palestinian agents are goining to contravene political-economic 

rationality that egregiously.    >>


What kind of security does Israel have now? 20 people were just horribly 
murdered, and I don't doubt that more atrocities of this kind will continue 
to occur.

I think conservatives are guilty of the most short-sighted 
self-congratulatory delusions if they think that Israel can long survive by 
attempting to maintain the status quo. No nation can put up with this kind of 
war of attrition (people who can will simply start to emigrate; those who 
can't will begin to suffer effects of traumatic stress). Israel's economy 
will decline, more and more reservists will refuse to serve, and there will 
be even more political polarization than there is now.

A phrase that will mean nothing to self-styled hard-headed conservatives 
(bone-headed is more like it) is that there is a moral dimension to Judaism 
that is being corrupted by the occupation. Not that Israel should simply give 
the territories back (not until the Arabs offer peace), but there is 
something inherently wrong in seeing Jews act just like everyone else. Not 
that we are better than anyone else, but we are supposed to behave better. 
That's what the term "Chosen People" really means - God expects more from us. 
Israel is supposed to be "a light unto the nations". Jews perform acts of 
charity not by choice but because it is the only proper thing to do. This 
occupation is morally degrading - and even from a hard-headed security point 
of view, inherently unstable - and for those reasons and more Israel must 
find a way to end it, even if it is risky and even if the Arabs don't truly 
deserve it. Not for the Palestinians' sake but for Israel's own soul, the 
occupation must end and the two peoples completely separated.



Tom Beck


"I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I didn't realize I'd also 
see the last." - Jerry Pournelle

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