----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Brin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Child Soldiers RE: This week in the Middle East
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 10:19:37AM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: > > Are you intentionally being daft? > > Do you think accusing someone of being daft helps your case? Or would a > calm and rational reply be more helpful? > > > How do you think this whole line of discussion got started? Look > > through some archives under this subject header. > > Is this your way of saying you can't support your accusations? You are > the one making the strong accusations. I don't remember reading what you > said you read. I made a simple requiest for you to quote it. Quoting > specific facts is a lot stronger way to make a case than calling names. > Here's the quote John was referring to: "IOW, Israel should be Lebensraum for their people, and their people only. Sounds vaguely familiar..." Typing in Lebensraum in Hotbot, one gets a number of references, including http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/about_holocaust/chronology/1933-1938/1933/chron ology_1933_2.html in which we find: <quote> Chronology of the Holocoust February 3 1933: Hitler presents Lebensraum program Hitler revealed his political goals in a speech to the leading army and navy commanders. He spoke of the need for an authoritarian state purged of Marxism and pacifism, the occupation of living space in the East for the German people, rearmament, and resistance to the Versailles Treaty. He stressed the importance of the military and promised not to involve it in domestic political disputes. Hitler's purpose in making these remarks was to earn the generals' support for his regime. <end quote> And at http://www.holocaust-trc.org/wmp15.htm we find <quote> LEBENSRAUM: LIVING SPACE FOR THE GERMAN RACE The main reason for the Nazi expansion into its neighboring western countries was built upon the principle of lebensraum. Even though it translates literally to mean only "living space," lebensraum carried with it the desire for the Nazis to expand into other countries to provide living space for the growing German race. During this time, the "inferior" races, such as the Jews and Gypsies, who occupied the new Nazi territories, were stripped of their possessions, jobs, and "resettled" in ghettos or concentration camps. This helped break the people's will, asserted the strong power of the Nazis, and gave direct benefits to the Nazi regime. When the Nazi Army successfully overtook and conquered the surrounding lands of France, Alsace, and Lorraine, the Reich immediately began its policy of racial restructuring. The German bureaucracy began by issuing orders for Jews in a particular town or city to submit an announcement of their possessions. This property was then gathered and confiscated, and the money was used directly by the bureaucracy. The Nazis basic intent was to make survival for the Jews more difficult and to create a loss of identity for the Jews. For the most part, the Nazis were successful in accomplishing their two goals as well as devastating the lives of the for letters stating that their jobs no longer existed or that their possessions were to be handed over to the German Reich. The Nazis occupying the towns asserted that the consequence of dissension was severe punishment or death. As the Jews were stripped of their belongings, they also were stripped of their purpose and their identity. By taking their positions at work, their personal possessions, and their money, the Nazis ensured a supreme hold on the Jewish population that allowed them to expand and exploit the Nazi's power. After the possessions of the Jews were taken and sold, the Nazis continued their plans of "resettlement." During World War II, 70,000 individuals were deported in France and the Alsace-Lorraine region with the help of the French government in power, 3,300 of which were Jews. <end quote> This was in reference to Israels refusal to accept the right of all Palestinians to return to Israel as full citizens, which, IMHO, would guarantee the destruction of Israel, and would probably result in the death of many or most of the Jews there. He is equating the deisre of Israel to remain a majority Jewish state, with only a 20% Arab population with the Holocoust. Why isn't this arguement anti-Semetic? Dan M.
