> From: jeffrey miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of The Fool

> > > From: jeffrey miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of The Fool
> > 
> > > > Robert Jordan: the Wheel of Time
> > > 
> > > Argh.. don't say that.. I've tried to read that series 3-4 
> > times and 
> > > continually get bogged down in the 5th book..
> > 
> > What's to get bogged down in fires of heaven?  
> 
> There's a pun here, somewhere..
> 
> >(some long nynaeve sequences?)
> > 
> > You miss some interesting battles, and the infamous murder mystery.
> 
> I don't know.. the 5th book just starts to drag for me.. right about
the
> time I realize that the characters haven't really grown or learned
> anything from the previous 4 books. ;)

Rand has certainly changed.  He's starting to go insane, and he's become
arrogant, and distrustful, and megalomaniac.  Didn't he have an episode
in DR where he thought he could raise the dead?

Mat had his mind seriously screwed with by *finn people.

Egwene has become manipulative.

Perrin is controlled by love.

Nynaeve has become what she despised in the first place.

etc.

Yup no change there.

I realize some people find the nynaeve/elayne boring and skim them.

> ..besides, I don't care if it IS an endless cycle - I dislike Jordan's
> depiction of women as people who, ingrained with the potency of magic
or
> not, are nothing but giggling eyelash-batting beauties.

Not quite.  Yes some people may be that way (because of human nature),
but not many, specifically in this series.  One of the things that rj is
trying to do, is have reverse discrimination, where the people who are in
power (and not just the aes sedai / one power users) but the whole of
society is biased against men (in a reverse of the way our society is).

He also takes all kinds of mythologies and reverse engineers them, so
they are backwards.

If and when you finish FoH you can read the FoH version of the FAQ:
ftp://linuxmafia.com/pub/jordan/wot-tfoh.FAQ

> (wow.. that sounds harsh.. I wish I had the right emoticon to smile and
> not misqualify that statement)

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