>From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Scouted: Commentary: Why Europe Sides Against the Jews / tim >e.com >Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 22:05:12 +0200 > >At 17:52 30-04-2002 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: > >>He is once again threatening list members in an effort to silence them. > >That is in fact partially (PARTIALLY) true. I am not threatening anyone and >I am not trying to silence people completely. What I am trying to >accomplish here is getting people to refrain from personal attacks, insults >and other such misbehaviour every time I refuse to say "you are right and I >am wrong". >
This *would* be a laudable goal. It doesn't sound like what you're planning on doing. Why not handle it the way I did: Post a complaint and refer the offending party to the etiquette guidelines. Ask the list to behave ourselves and remind us of IAAMOAC. In short, don't threaten. I do think that your position as listowner makes what you are doing threatening. See my previous post for an explanation. > >>What he is doing negatively impacts the entire list, and is not >>appropriate behavior for someone who maintains powers over the entire >>list. > >Ignoring for the moment the fact that my being a co-listowner has nothing >to do with it -- would you consider the impact on the list of the endless >attacks against me to be something other than negative? Would you consider >such attacks to be always inappropriate, or would that depend on who is >doing the attacking? Do you think *your* posts on this subject are actually >having a *positive* impact on this list? Unjustified attacks against you personally are absolutely negative and inappropriate. A post that says 'your argument sounds antisemitic for the following reasons....' is not necessarily a negative attack because it is furthering discussion. I haven't seen anyone do that, by the way, but it is worth pointing out. Calling you a 'paranoid delusionary living in a fantasy' is _completely_ and _totally_ inappropriate, no matter who is doing the posting. (I don't recall the exact words so I paraphrased.) The profanity that I objected to a couple of months ago which was directed at you, (in which you were called a 'f****** nazi') I DID speak out against. That was totally offensive and wrong. As far as the appropriateness of my own posts: I have tried very hard to remove myself from the Middle East discussion. This is a highly-charged emotional topic for me, and I'm not sure I can maintain objectivity while discussing it. I *have* posted a number of "scouted" articles (Wiesenthal Ctr and the Time Commentary) that I found especially pertinent or timely, and will probably continue to do so. If you're talking about these last 5-7 posts about the appropriateness of your proposed website etc., then no, I don't think they are inappropriate. I am accusing you of overstepping your bounds as a list owner in order to point out that I feel strongly that what you've been doing and saying is wrong. I would consider that positive, especially if I'm right and you are threatening list members. BTW, I have defended you in the past by objecting to nasty behavior from your attackers and will no doubt continue to do so. I would also consider *that* positive. And I will continue to complain onlist when people act uncivilized. >And no, those are NOT rhetorical questions. > And so, I have answered them. :-) As far as I know, I don't ignore your posts deliberately, and try to answer questions when they are put to me? Have I not done so? > >>You may disagree with me, but I think he should either stop threatening us >>or step down. He shouldn't be able to have authority over list members >>and continue to threaten them. > >You are probably not going to answer this, but exactly how would such a >site be threatening? I DID post an answer to this and the relevancy of your being a listowner in my previous post. If you like, I can reiterate it. Jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
