> From: Miller, Jeffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > From: The Fool [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 

> > 
> > > From: Miller, Jeffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > > > From: William T Goodall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > on 14/5/02 11:51 pm, Andrew Crystall at
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On 14 May 2002 at 15:36, Jon Gabriel wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >> The Star Wars soundtrack has been available on the
> > > > >> alt.binaries.sounds.mp3s newsgroup for at least a month.  
> > > > Somehow I
> > > > >> doubt any copy-protection schemes the companies can come
> > > > up with will
> > > > >> prevent a truly determined person from ripping them.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If it can be heard, it can be recorded.
> > > > 
> > > > Well, that's true of course. The problem is if someone wants
> > > > to make a lossless digital copy rather than resample the 
> > > > output from the DAC.
> > > 
> > > easy - play it on a CD player with a digital out and route 
> > that into a 
> > > DAT with digital inputs.  The remainder of the process is 
> > left as an 
> > > exercise for the reader ;)
> > 
> > Wrong.  The CD players that would put out a digital signal 
> > are the same ones that wont play these corrupted discs, 
> > precisely because the digital information on the disc is corrupted.
> 
> I've seen nothing about -that- mentioned in this thread or any urls
> posted.  You're saying that the CD player on my rack won't play these
> discs?

I could be wrong, but The protections on the disc go beyond just screwing
up the table of contents on the disc.  The actual data on the disc is
corrupted.  A perfect digital copy of the information on the disc would
still contain the 'pops' and 'clicks' that are added into the data.  It
is possible that the 'errors' on the disc (if created maliciously) when
played in a stereo could 1. destroy the speakers, 2. damage the circuitry
of the stereo.  (It all has something to with square waves).

That being said, with the right CD burner (one that can write 'errors'),
and CloneCD or a similar program, Perfect 100% copies can be created.

Also the only lossless audio compression I've come across is something
called 'Monkeys Audio Compressor', and I think These guys:
(http://www.melodymachine.com/sfark.htm) were making one called DaArk
(Digital Audio Arkive).

Every other compression scheme is lossy.

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