----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: and so it goes...

> How about this? 

>...they should
> first make a much stronger effort to talk, persuade, or cajole him into
> behaving in the way they would like. This might include repeatedly
> trying to engage him in a discussion about his behavior (and documenting
> the attempts if they are offlist), repeatedly asking him why he is doing
> what people want to change, discussing and drafting a formal warning
> (including crystal clear statements of the behavior that they want
> changed) and designating someone to be the spokesperson to issue the
> warning.
> 
> If the warning is violated (and the violation conditions should
> be clearly specified in the warning), then a vote to ban could be
> considered. However, it needs to be handled in an organized fashion.
> The current "call for votes" lacks a clear and unambiguous statement of
> the issue being voted on, lacks the criteria on which the vote outcome
> will be decided, and lacks a clear statement of the exact consequences
> if the motion passes. Also, the voting period should be a minimum of 1
> week (ideally I'd suggest 2 weeks), since it is not uncommon for people
> to be offlist for a week.
> 
> These missing pieces of due process and information are why I say the
> present call for votes should be ignored.

That sounds reasonable.  

Dan M.  

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