Nick Arnett wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > Behalf Of Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten > ... > > > I (as in me, myself as a person ;o)) don't like more rules and > > regulations, so I > > feel it isn't a good idea. But as I said, it is Nick's list so he _can_ do > > whatever he likes. > > I don't see this as *my* list, even though it operates via server. That's > why I don't use the phrase "list owner," but "list manager" instead. I > regard that role as stewardship, not ownership. I have a greater ability to > do damage to the list, but just as it managed to migrate from Cornell to my > server, it could migrate again. I'd be kidding myself if I thought I could > do anything I want.
That you realise that, shows some good sense on your part. You know the limits of what you can get away with..... <smile> (This isn't intended as harsh as it probably sounds, but I couln't find a better phrasing.) > When list managers, like other community leaders, > forget that they are accountable to the community, they often lose their > leadership position. I've certainly seen that happen more than once. > > This is not a democracy, but that doesn't mean it is totalitarian. It's far > closer to anarchy than either of those, and we have some strong voices > calling for it to remain so. Yes, mine for one. I like the brin-l anarchy. It gives interesting ideas a place and at times even the strangest voices are heard. I've been a long time member on this list (even if my ranking doesn't show it :o)) and there is no end to the weirdnesses I've seen here. I'm also on the Culture list but by far this list has something the Culture doesn't. But, Nick, if indeed you can sincerely get into any kind of legal trouble for hosting the list as it currently is (without further moderation, further policies added, etc.) I'd rather have someone else (I believe Ronn offered already) take over and run the list somewhere else on a public domain where the current anarchy doesn't pose a legal problem for anyone. I'd even help if I was asked to do so (not that anybody would trust me enough for it, but as symbolism goes.... ;o)) > Seeing your later posting, I should add that several people have asked, all > off-list IIRC, for a discussion of Jeroen's legal notice, which I find > bothersome, too. Yes I imagine it is. Unfortunatly more so for the list ...eh... managers :o) then for the rest of us. Pardon me saying so but it sounds a bit like some of our current members have been ....... eh.... eh..... running to daddy...... <HUGE GRIN> > At the risk of being paternalistic, I'll note that some > people were quietly following a policy of not ever replying to a message > with that notice, and I wasn't sure that Jeroen even realized. But many > have spoken up along those line since we began the discussion. It is a policy that has been used (succesfully) in the past. It won't help everytime (as the situation with DB/Gord and then Mark and on several occasions Jeroen and also a few other cases has shown) but on average it is a good policy. Contrary to popular believe freedom has a price. And if that means that we can get inconvenienced from time to time by a bit of a racous well I don't mind. I mean I've realised a long time ago that I don't have to participate in any of that and I don't even have to read it if I don't like it/don't wan't to. :o) And I believe that as long as there is a majority of us willing to ... relent, have fun, get serious, get to the hart of things, get clobbered for throwing in something totally controversial I think we'll be OK. > <snipped statement with regards to starting a new list> Just one more thing..... So far I've seen a lot to contradict your statement that this list isn't owned but merely managed by you. Unfortunatly I have to stand by my opinion that for all present purposes you own the list. I base this opinion on the past experiences where you have been acting accordingly on several occasions, always with apparantly good and understandable reasons but still..... The fact that you admit that it isn't a democracy (and correct me if I'm wrong I understood that remark as implying that you'll have the last word no matter what) enforces my opinion in this matter. That it isn't a totallitarian (yet?) regime doesn't really help much to convince me of the oposite being true. Sonja :o) GCU: Ungratefull brat. ;o) _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
