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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Dan Minette
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:02 PM

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I do not doubt it.  But, I think Ronn's suggestion is explicitly giving
Jeroen permission to display all the other messages that he considers
threats...in the context of his own offline messages, of course.  I
understand why there is a prejudice against this, but I think, once some
private email on the subject comes out, all might as well.  (In for a
penny, in for a pound.)

I'm not nearly as concerned about others with regard to this off-list,
on-list message stuff.  I would hope that there's nothing I say privately
that would reflect badly on me if made public.  My motivation in writing to
Jeroen privately a month ago, when all this took place, was to save him the
embarrassment of a public warning of what the last straw would be.

I guess you and I are wise enough to know that advice rarely has any effect;
only consequences.  So I hope I'm doing everybody right by setting some up.
I don't see any sign that Jeroen is hearing what people are saying about his
behavior, except that on-list, he hasn't made any outrageous threats or
personal attacks since I drew the line.  I really, really home he doesn't.
I'd hate to kick him or anyone else off.

By the way, in case you didn't know (and I'm not sure who does), "addiction
to self-righteousness" is a David Brin notion, which he tried to communicate
to JVB during the last explosion.  Knowing far more than I wish I did about
addiction, I think he's right on target, though I'm not sure how useful the
idea is.

Nick

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