--- Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Behalf Of Deborah Harrell
> > --- Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >From: Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > > >This is *awful*...but good sick gallows
> humor...
> > > >
> > > >Cowboys and Muslims   <snipped joke>
> > 
> > > This was incredibly offensive and not funny for
> so many reasons.  :(
> > >
> > > I'm genuinely curious: would you have posted
> this if it had a German making
> > > a snide comment about playing a 'wipe out the
> Jews' game?
> > 
> > I'm sorry that you were so offended.  It made me
> laugh out loud and then groan "Oh, that's so bad..."

<snippage> 
>   
> ...I just felt the joke was racist and said so. 
> 
> >   But I wouldn't put
> > it in the same category as a Nazi joke, because:
<snip> 

> Also, there _used_ to be an unofficial American
> policy of wiping out
> Native Americans (I'm simplifying, obviously).  The
> punchline of this
> joke basically points to Muslims and says 'You're
> Next.'  IMO, that puts
> it in the same category as the Nazi joke.

This ties into my reason #3.

> > (2) I took it as poking (sardonic/political) fun
> at a certain 'cowboy'... <sniplet> 
> 
> So the obvious follow-up question is.... do you
> believe that jokes
> calling someone a moron has an equal value to those
> that suggest they
> and their people are mass murderers?

Umm, no - it was such a ridiculous position that I
didn't think anyone could take it seriously.  While
it's no secret that I don't like Bush's policies WRT
just about everything, I don't think he wants to, or
would deliberately engage in, genocide.  Despite his
'arrogant cowboy stance,' I think he truly wants to be
liked.
 
> > (3) underneath the humor I read a pointed reminder
> of what categorizing people can lead to (frex, the
> > consequences of past policies that 'dealt with
> heathen savages').
> 
> It didn't exactly sound like a warning encouraging
> American self-examination to me.

<wry>
Well, I can 'read stuff into' as much as the next
person, but it doesn't mean I'm always right... :)

Debbi

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