--- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "d.brin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
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>
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> I think this typifies the murder problem in the south. Violence is normally
> commited by the ignorant and those with loose control of their emotions.
I strongly disagree.
> Are you advocating not just a camera on every street, but a camera in every
> living room and bedroom?
Did anyone see Minority Report?
> > With cameras, the first shooter doesn't win, but the one who's right
> > will. And if you shoot impulsively with a camera, you can say "I'm
> > sorry."
Not if your dead you can't.
Cameras would be fairly workable in an urban setting, yet one
> must consider how much of the world is extra-urban and where most of the
> handguns actually are.
>
>
> >
> > Hey, I am "Mr. Accountability". I'm no sweetness goody liberal.
> > Humans are often maniacs and I want everybody armed to defend
> > themselves.
>
> My opinion of you is exceedingly favorable, I just believe your points on
> this subject are quite one sided and not explored in enough depth.
> I have no doubt that you have read essays and arguments beyond count, but
> the experience of the average Joe and Jane Handgunowner count for much more
> than all the sophistry that can be mustered. 83 million gun owners behaved
> themselves today, yet that "factoid" tends to be ignored.
>
> > I want only rifles in peoples, home, stored high with the
> > bolts removed and locked elsewhere. We'll have our second amendment
> > guns... and home defense or sport or hunting.
>
> In sentence 1 you want weapons to not be immediately useable, but in
> sentence 2 you support having them for home defense, a situation that is
> usually immediate. The two sentences taken together are not workable.
>
>
> >All other types -
> > including Assault rifles and handguns, are simply substitute penises
> > for really sad obsessive fellows.
> >
> What an awful way to insult millions of people!
> Doc, you are taking the worst examples in a category and casting them as
> typical. It reads as if you have never actually known anyone who owned a
> handgun. I know hundreds, and cant think of anyone who fits that
> description.
>
> Where in the world would you get such an idea?
>
What about those who are right handed but left eyed? (like myself)It is very
hard to accurately shoot a rifle that must be rested on the shoulder. My aim
with that sort of rifle is very very bad. My aim and skill with a handgun is
superb.
Everyone here is imaginative enough to write fiction I assume. So Imagine a
situation where someone brakes into your home and quietly sneaks into your
room while you are asleep. Then you wake, and see a large man standing in
your room. Quickly you run to the gun closet and extract the rifle, then you
run to the "elsewhere" you have the bolt locked in. Now to the ammunition.
Then you load the weapon (yea like you could do all that with a 220 pound man
attacking you, but let's pretend you could). Now the home invader is 2 feet
from you too close for you to pint the business end of the rifle at him and
still be able to pull the trigger in such a way that you are sure you won't
be blowing your own head off. He is bigger and stronger than you and so he
takes the gun from you and pummels you to death with it.
If only you had a loaded handgun within arms reach...
Back to reality, what do you do? Don't think it can't happen to you, it's
happened to me twice.
How about this one: A young thug runs into your child's classroom and points
a gun at him or her, his finger is on the trigger.
You would prefer your child's teacher to:
A) fullishly believing that the gun must be fake becouse they are illegal.
B) be running from the room screaming.
C) be ducking under his desk trying to reason with the boy.
D) have a large cumbersome rifle he is trying desperately to unlock from the
closet across the room.
E) be brandishing a 40 caliber automatic pistol pointed at the thug in the
manner he was trained.
F) be dead on the floor becouse the thug clobered him from behind just 45
seconds ago and took his gun.
Jan
Not having all the answers Maru
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