Commenting on a couple of points, so most snipped- --- Chad Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <from article Han posted> > > > > The fact that there has been an admittedly > decreased interest in studying > > exposure to occupational carcinogens is itself a > condemnation of the attitude of > > governments and corporations to the safety and > well-being of workers. > > Since 1975? What crap. OSHA is stronger than ever, > new ergonomic rules, > there are hundreds of examples of this NOT being > true. Ask any US business > CEO if his costs for safety have decreased in just > the last 5 years.
While safety costs have increased as you note, good research into occupational or environmental toxins/carcinogens has not. I've searched PubMed (for another long-past-due reply!), and there are not the number of reliable studies in this area that one would expect. Typing "occupational AND carcinogen" returns 6706 articles; removing animal studies yields 5994. In comparison, typing "heart AND disease" gives 158,756 hits; subtracting animal studies yields 137,623. There is also the taint of suppression of data by the industries themselves, as frex vinyl chloride and tobacco. This is not reassuring or conducive to trust when Jane Q. Public is told, "Yes, Damitol has been found to be safe." > This, > > despite the fact that the World Cancer Report's > foreword states that one of the > > main reasons "for the greater cancer burden of > affluent societies" is "the > > earlier exposure to occupational carcinogens." > > Have they proven this? 99% of all occupational > carcinogens occur naturally. Can you cite this? Thanks. (A small point: occur naturally at what concentration, vs. the occup. or local concentration.) > I have worked in health care. Yes, there is exposure > to x-rays, but there is > also exposure to the same viruses that cause cancer. Viral-induced cancers (known ones) aren't the same as radiation-induced ones, generally speaking (I can't think right now of a specific cancer that is caused by both, which certainly might be more a reflection of my brain's functioning at the moment, rather than reality; Bob Z might know better). Causality in many cancers is complex, an interaction between the individual's genetic susceptibility, current state of nutrition and immune system functioning, and environmental 'trigger' which can be physical (frex burns, radiation), chemical (frex benzene, tobacco), bacterial (frex _Helicobacter pylori_) or viral (frex several types of papilloma). This is a technical article for med students: http://edcenter.med.cornell.edu/CUMC_PathNotes/Neoplasia/Neoplasia_04.html > There are also studies that suggest that exposure to > radioactivity can > provide protection against cancer. There is also the > association of RADIOLOGIC treatment of cancer. Ref. an earlier post which discussed 'radiation hormesis,' with article links. But in the same post (or maybe same thread), I noted that as little as 2 rem (oh, heck, maybe rads?) cumulative exposure to the fetus *does* result in a very small but measurable increase in leukemia. Also, *treatment* of cancer, both radiation and chemical, can cause *secondary* cancer(s) years later. > ...Again, they need to rule out biologic factors like > cancer causing viruses. One (non-fringe) site quoted 15-20% of human cancers as associated with viral induction, while another stated that 90% of human cancers are tobacco-related. Both of these seem excessive to me, but frankly we don't have the hard data yet. > I'm with you. In fact, I think I will start looking > for a good charity that feeds children. Alleviating starvation is good, but without family planning and economic/agricultural improvements, the gain will be short-term only. Consider Heifer International, voted by _Worth_ as one of the top 100 charities, which promotes economic and educational growth as well as improved food sources: http://www.heifer.org/about_hpi/index.htm * * * WOW! I just found the *cause of all cancer!* And it's a *liver fluke!* http://www.drclarkia.com/diseases/cancer/cancer2.html "...In this book you will see that all cancers are alike. They are all caused by a parasite. A single parasite! It is the human intestinal fluke. And if you kill this parasite, the cancer stops immediately...In order to get cancer, you must have this parasite... But if it invades a different organ, like the uterus or kidneys or liver, it does a great deal of harm. If it establishes itself in the liver, it causes cancer! It only establishes itself in the liver in some people. These people have propyl alcohol in their bodies. All cancer patients (100%) have both propyl alcohol and the intestinal fluke in their livers. The solvent propyl alcohol is responsible for letting the fluke establish itself in the liver. In order to get cancer, you must have both the parasite and propyl alcohol in your body..." <scratches forehead> Except that it lives in Southeast Asia... Picture and map! (actual scholarly site) http://www.cdfound.to.it/HTML/fas2.htm And since you mentioned AIDS (associated with certain lymphomas, BTW), I ran across this site that says the cause of AIDS, among many other diseases, is a mutated mycoplasma made by the US from the bacteria Brucella...(a real bacterial genus, BTW) http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=20000830164126 "...Between 1942 and the present time, biological warfare research has resulted in a more deadly and infectious form of the mycoplasma. They extracted this mycoplasma from the brucellosis bacteria, weaponized it and actually reduced the disease to a crystalline form. According to Dr. Shyh-Ching Lo, one of America's >>top, top<< researchers, this disease agent, the mycoplasma, causes among other things, AIDS, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, Wegener's disease, Parkinson's disease, Crohn's colitis, Type I diabetes, and collagen-vascular diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and Alzheimer's..." >>emphasis mine<< Debbi Must Hunt For Humor In The Midst Of Distress Maru __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
