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From: "Chad Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: Picking apart the Matrix - spoilers


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>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: William T Goodall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 6:57 PM
> >To: Killer Bs Discussion
> >Subject: Re: Picking apart the Matrix - spoilers
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> >
> >On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 01:09  am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>
> >>> In addition, how does this all work? where does the energy to power
> >>> the
> >>> humans come from? We get out energy from food, which
> >inevitably get's
> >>> it's
> >>> energy from Sol. So in the story, where does the energy for
> >>> the food come
> >>> from?
>
> In The Matrix, there was reference to the fact that a catyclism occurred
on
> the surface to force humanity underground. The robots then took over. I
> believe that this idea was ripped off from a Phillip K. Dick short story.
>
> >>
> >> Using humans or any other animal as an energy source is of course
> >> foolish since the energy needed to create a human is far
> >greater than
> >> the energy that the human can generate. You could run machines on
> >> plants thus converting sunlight into complex carbohydrates
> >that can be
> >> used as fuel. But why bother with this - just use mechanical devices
> >> to collect solar energy.
>
> An ounce of flesh has more energy than an ounce of solar material, I
think,
> by a magnitude.

Yea, but that's just becasue the force of gravity at the sun is greater.
An ounce of flesh on earth has far more mass than the average

> A body needs few things to create energy

A body cannot create energy.  If it could, then we would have human beings
violating the law of conservation of energy.

Human bodies convert chemical energy into mechanical energy and heat. The
source of human energy is the chemical energy available in plants and other
animals.  Animals are like humans in that they obtain energy from plants
and other animals.

That's not the total picture, of course.  Humans can obtain heat energy
from the sun, the atmosphere, a hot pavement, etc, but they are not good at
converting this to mechanical energy.  It is fair to say though that all
useful low entropy energy that humans have come from plants, either
directly or through other animals.

Dan M.


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