<sigh> I haven't commented on-list about this latest incident because I truly don't like confrontation, and I usually try to avoid what I think might escalate tensions as well.
I don't like having expletives SHOUTED at me, or threats, especially when I've done nothing to deserve such treatment; I made sure that won't happen for now, but I'll re-assess soon. I've cut-and-pasted from several posts in this thread, with my responses beneath. --- Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think we can honestly assume that very very few > people on his supressed > recipient list give a damn about his opinions any > more. In fact Jan, afaik, you might be the only one. No, he isn't (although I'd probably have said "feelings" instead of "opinions"). Gary Nunn wrote: "Jeroen, I am sure you are reading this... Let me make a humble suggestion: Take down the "opinion" page as a sign of good faith. If you are not satisfied that your requests have been honored, then you always have the option of putting it back up..." Seconded. This "opinion" page is why I did not join the other list, which I had intended to do until I saw these statements. Erik Reuter wrote: >....what I'd LIKE to read, and what I think many >others here would agree with, would be something >along the lines of: >"I'm sorry for harrassing everyone. I took down the >page on brin-l.com that encouraged harrassment of >several list members. I won't be spamming anyone >anymore. If you don't want to receive emails from me >in the future, just send me an email letting me know >and you won't hear from me again." >Of course, that is probably too much to hope for. In >reality, something like this would suffice: >"I took down the page on brin-l.com that listed >contact addresses of people who asked not to be >listed there. I have also removed the email >addresses of people who requested it from my Bcc: >email list. In return, I request that people not >discuss me or mention my name on the Brin-L list." Agreed. Michael Harney wrote: >If he will, as an act of good faith, delete...."About >the old Brin-L" as soon as possible, rather than a >few weeks from now, I would be more inclined to >believe the authenticity of this offer he is making. >Either way, I was living up to the terms of it >before, and I have no intent of changing that. I >hope he really does live up to his side of the >bargain though, as I feel he really needs to take a >step away from this list and try to regain his >perspective. If he can regain some perspective and >demonstrate that his attitude towards the list and >it's members has changed, then I would be very >willing to argue for his return to the list in the >future. Also agreed. Jan Coffey, in the _Interpreting language_ thread, wrote [I snipped quite a lot from this paragraph, but tried to stay true to what I think Jan meant]: >I am not saying what JvB did was right. No, I agree >that many of his actions were very wrong. He acted >childishly and took things further than most would.... >Jeroen then responded in the same way he saw himself >being attacked....[he] is proud and has a strong >affinity for justice. He couldn't let it go....But the >manner in which he did it was socialy unacceptable... >....A fight has two sides you know, when things get to >the point they are now, no one wins, no one gets to >have it all their way.... Yes. However, Jan later wrote: "Personaly I find banishment dispicable...." It was appropriate for the RL behavior. I would prefer that it be temporary/reversible (but admit to not knowing all the story, as I deleted most of the posts in those threads unread, and of course have no knowledge of what occurred offlist). [Not really tangential: The highly observant will have noted that I have acted in accordance with prior comments on social conflict.] Debbi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
