--- Bryon Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >From: Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >It means that I produce works of art, music and poetry, and that I can
> >present these works as represintative of the tribe.
> >
> >What else would it mean?
>
> I'm sorry, did I offend you by asking this? None was intended.
I am amused that you thought I might be offended. I certainly was not.
Do you mind getting heady and explaining why you thought that I might be
offended?
Actualy, ...Would you mind if we got heady and discussed why the words I
wrote might be interpreted as the words of one who had been offended?
If I had not wrote "What else would it mean?" and instead wrote, "I have
allways only had this definition and am curious what else it might mean. I am
curious to know what other meanings you thought were possible.", then would
it would have seemed less so. I know this, but I do not know exactly why.
I think it has something to do with a folkway of leaving negativity unspoken
when it is deeply felt. It is strange to me that openly speaking such
negativity is reguarded then as an atack of sorts.
Why would the absence of emotional content denote negative emotional content?
For me, if I have been slightly offended I would probably asume that it was
not intentional especialy since it so seldomely is. If I had been greatly
offended then I would simply tell you.
I clearly use back language, or "in between the lines" kind of stuff. But I
never put emotions there. I tend to seem very offensive to cultures where
passive agression is acepted but outright agression is avoided.
For me growing up, the oposite was the case. Outright agression was an
acceptable way to display emotions, but passive agression was a grevious
offense.
It's was hard to switch, and still, when I am not concentrating on it I come
off as passive agressive sometimes. I think it is becouse the cultures that
permit passive agressivness... overshoot and always show posative emotions
even when there are no emotions felt. This makes the lack of emotion appear
agressive or.. negative.
Ok I may not be using the right words here, I am talking in extreams. The
words arressive, passive agressive, atack, they are all to extream for this
case. But I'm not going back to rewrite it becouse I can't think of what the
correct terms would be, besides it would be much more leangthy, and I am
lazy. You know, it's usualy not that I don't get the pattern, I just get
lazzy.
Anyway, what do you think?
> If I had been guessing, I would have guessed a lot of other possibilities
> besides
> that one, so I'm glad I asked. For example, there's a wonderful artisan
> community
> out in western Massachusetts I visit sometimes. It's most well known for
> its glass
> blowers, candle makers, quilters etc.
Yea, that is done as well. Generaly though the ...."title" is more specific
like "candle maker".
The main purpous of having "official artisans" is
1) Non tribal members often try to pass off their interpritation of "indian
art" (of whatever sort, fine art, craft goods etc.) as representative of the
tribe. The existence of an "oficial artisan" put and end to this. Most
...clients, customers, of the more pricy stuff want to see certification.
2) Tribal members might want to pass off some peice or other as
representative of the tribe when it is not. The title sais that the tribe is
more or less confident that the works will not be non-representative. (Nude
photography for instence would be non-representative.)
> So when I think of artisans, I
> associate them
> more with fine craftworkers than actual artists. (Although I understand
> they can
> certainly greatly overlap). But in any case, music and poetry didn't cross
> my mind.
It's all inclusive. One word to describe them all. Although I will have to
look on my documentation and see which word was actualy used. You are correct
that their is a destiction in the english language. I certainly could sell
you offical Lenape pet rocks if I wanted, but I am trusted to draw the line
somewhere. On the other hand; drums, flutes, mocasins, handbags, neclases,
potery, rings, tablecloths, rugs, and beedwork would all be acceptible, as
would fine art, music, poetry, and the like.
>
> Thanks for the story and explanation
>
Your welcome.
What did you think of it?
I BCCed my grandmother and she was conserned that I did not make it clear
that in the end the turtle was using _river rocks_ and pebles for his floor.
Did you tink it was clear?
She was also unclear whether I made it all up, was barrowing from one or
another stories, or was simply repeating one that I had heard as a boy. I
admit, I don't know either, it was just there.
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