On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 06:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

To modify an old saying:

"Why buy the cow if you can get the government to give you the milk for free?"


I'm afraid I don't see your point. The complaint is that the UK government will, rather than permit actual legal same-sex marriage, permit gay couples certain privileges similar to marriage but without the formal name, which some gay spokesperson says discriminates against unmarried straight couples by not permitting them a similar legal arrangement in some way short of actual marriage. And my point is, unmarried straight couples have no such need because they can actually get married. If they choose not to, that's up to them, but at least they have the choice, which gays do not. Therefore, there is no possible "discrimination." If you want to argue that gays should be given full legal marriage rights, I agree. What the UK government is proposing is, actually, still, discrimination against _gays_ not against straights, even if it would be slightly less discriminatory than it used to be. So what is your point?


At 02:56 PM 6/30/03 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

And why should unmarried couples get any of these rights and privileges? Marriage promotes stability, which is good for children, therefore good for society. If they want those rights and privileges, let them get married, since they, at least, are permitted to do so.


As you have perhaps seen by now in another post, that is exactly what I was saying.



--Ronn! :)

I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon.
I never dreamed that I would see the last.
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