>-----Original Message----- >From: David Hobby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 6:57 PM >To: Killer Bs Discussion >Subject: Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price >discrimination > > >> >> No, David, you proved my much larger point. >> Congratulations, _you_ are the perfect example for why >> the left has no relevance to American politics today. >> You pegged it in one - I do say you're an extremist >> too. If you really feel that it's reasonable to call >> the American flag a symbol of hatred - which you have >> just repeatedly said you do - you have just proven my >> larger point about the collapse of the left far better >> than I ever could. Out of your own mouth. I couldn't >> have _asked_ for a better post to make my point. >> >> ===== >> Gautam Mukunda > > Yes, I feel it is reasonable to call the US flag a >"symbol of hatred", in the sense that many who wave it most >fervently do so partially out of hate.
Wait a sec... I see 50% of all automobiles with at least an American Flag decal, and a fair percentage with an actual flag. Those that use the flag in hate are such a small percentage, it probably can't be measured ... If I didn't know any better, I would say you just accused me of being identified (call it stereotyped) as hateful because I "wave" a flag.... Or you just talking about the radical right-wing hate groups that happen to wave flags as well. Frankly, if we are stereotyping, I would say that most radical left-wing hate groups prefer to burn the Flag in effagy. Strangly enough, many protestors of American policy overseas do the same thing.... They make defilement a political statement. Could not this be thought of as hateful, or is it perhaps just behavior conducive of "Being Enlightened". OK OK OK ..... I understand what you meant (I think). Luckily you put enough ambuigity into it to not allow anyone to pin you down to the ground on this one... Perhaps some of the people who wave the flag have some hate in them, but flag waving and flag burning are a lot different. Those who hate the US and see the flag as a symbol of their hatred don't wave the flag, they burn it (or is that statement a bit stereotypical... ). To be honest, your statement made me mad... Nerd From Hell You seem to have >removed all of the modifiers from your restatement. > For comparison, part of my original post is quoted >below. > ---David > >P.S. Do you use "extremist" as more than a label for those you >disagree with? If you define it as "more than 3 sigma from the >mean", or something, then we could continue this discussion. But >if someone is an extremist just because you say so, I really have >no opportunity to reply. > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > Where have you been? Everybody uses symbols differently, >of course. But I saw many flying the flag who seemed to do so out >of some mix of patriotism, jingoism and hate. (Anyway, they would >say things like "Kill all Arabs!") > When others have contaminated a symbol with things one >does not believe in, one reasonable response is to avoid using >the symbol. (Another is to attempt to "reclaim" it, but either >should be fair.) > So her rhetoric is over-the-top, but her basic position >doesn't seem too far out. > ---David >----------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l > _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
