--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism
>
>
> > > From: Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > > > So where, when and how does he defend terrorism? I
> > > > have read the entire
> > > > report and haven't come across a single statement
> > > > that would count as
> > > > defence of the terrorists?
> > >
> > > I think this is a bit of spin-doctoring by The Fool.
> > > Sort of the same nonsense that came about with the 1st
> > > Lady of Maryland's unfortunate quote.
> >
> > <Sarcasm>
> > Yup. The Ends sure do justify the means. Yep. Every single time.
> > </Sarcasm>
>
> That's not the point under debate. The question is twofold.
>
> 1) Is the goal supported by the terrorists worthwhile. In other words
> would non-violent political action to achieve these goals be considered
> worthwhile?
>
> 2) Does the support of otherwise worthwhile goals by terrorists taint the
> goals themselves?
>
> I think the archbishop was explicitly discussing the second question. For
> the most part, I agree with the archbishop; a very valid grievance can be
> the excuse for the use of unacceptable means. However, Tom did bring out
> an implicit problem with the archbishop's statement, that the likely goal
> of the terrorists is not worthwhile.
This is a good point, and it warrents classification.
Poosibilities:
1) End: good, Means: good
2) End: good, Means: bad
3) End: bad, Means: ?
4) End bad, Means: bad
So can one really have a good means to a bad end? I personaly do not believe
this is possible.
Some would argue that a bad means to a good end is also not possible becouse
the means decideds, or taints the end. Or that a bad means, no matter how
good the intended end, will always lead to a bad end...in the end.
I think what we have here with ~these~ terrorists is simply a bad means to a
bad end. Bush may sound like a religious nut when he talks about this, but I
personaly agree with the notion that evil is when someone does something bad
to acomplish something bad.
Who cares if it is relative.
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