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From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable
view.

>
> Some of those doing the fighting were fighting for states' rights, so
> arguably it was *fought* over that.
>
> A lot of those in the South put their state above the nation.  Lee
> wouldn't fight for the Union because his Virginia was part of the
> Confederacy.  And this putting the state before the nation was probably
> one of the major factors that lost the war for the South.

I think the question you raised is an interesting one, but I don't think it
is quite that easily resolved.  In particular, people like Lee would lose
their whole way of life if the North won the Civil war.  Gautam beat me to
the consequences for poorer whites.  What I was going to say is that the
bottom white knew he was better than a good fraction of the population:
almost half in the Deep South, about 1/3rd in the upper South.

Second, it wasn't just a few who owned slaves: in Mississippi and Georgia,
almost half of the white population were slave owners, in Alabama and
Florida over a third, in Louisiana, Texas, North Carolina, Virginia, and
Tennessee, between a quarter and a third.

So, I would argue that if one had to choose between a principled stand
against the Federal Government having too much power, period, and
preserving a way of life; the fight was to preserve a way of life.  Without
slavery, the life of most whites, slaveowners and non-slaveowners, would
have been quite different.

Dan M.



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