> From: Damon Agretto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 April 2004 2:28 AM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: RE: Winning the War on Terror
> 
> 
> Andrew,
> 
> Your allusion to Barbarossa is flawed. When the
> Germans rolled into the Soviet Union, there were
> plenty of people that welcomed them as liberators, not
> the least of which were the Ukranians. Had the Germans
> been less racist and didn't look at the Ukranians and
> other ethnicities in the Soviet Union (which is FAR
> MORE than just Russians) as being untermensch they
> would have been able to push to the Urals and defeated
> Stalin. With Ukranian manpower, food, and industry to
> support them, it might very well have happened. Even
> in 1944, when the Germans raised a Waffen-grenadier
> division for Urkanians, they needed only 15,000
> volunteers; they got some 200,000. Even if after 3
> years of occupation and brutality Ukranians were
> willing to do this, I think says a lot about Stalin's
> regime. 
> 
> Your allusion, therefore, would work only if the US
> managed to alienate the only really friendly faction
> (the Kurds) that are currently in Iraq. So far that
> hasn't happened AFAIK.
> 
> Damon.
> 

I didn't know that about the Ukrainian division, interesting.
My point was not so specific though. I meant more in terms of
an invasion of another country turning out, in the long run, to not
have been such a good idea.

Andrew
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