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From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:02 PM
Subject: <Insert Reasonable Subject Here> - Darn this is annoying.....

> track record, so I won't go as far as you suggest, but I can only hope
that
> at some point they will come to their senses - what with the President
and
> National Review showing the right way on this issue......

It looks as though the president will have to retreat a great deal on this
issue before he can show the way.  There is strong evidence that it wasn't
just an perpetrated by a few.  The pictures were being passed among the
MPs.  Its clear that the person who became disgusted and reported the abuse
was not the first outsider to see it. Why were these pictures considered
entertaining?

It is also clear from the Army report that there were significant
systematic problems.  It was not, as the president said, just a few
disgusting individuals.  It was a total breakdown of the system the armed
forces had in place to prevent this sort of thing.  I can see the anger in
the face of retired 4-star generals who talked about what happened.  Its
not just anger at the soldiers who did it, but anger with those who were
making excuses for the system.

As Gautam has pointed out, there is nothing shocking about humans abusing
others, alas.  There is nothing magical about Americans that makes us
better.  What we can do and have done is to institutionalize safeguards to
minimize the chance of this happening.  We also punish those who do it.

We've been sucessful for years with this strategy.  There are significant
indications that  rules instituted to prevent abuse were bent and broken in
the name of results.  It is clear that the command structure at the prison
lent itself to abuse.  One needs to ask why our armed services changed
procedures and techniques that had worked so well for decades.



Dan M.



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