> The other usage of "Dark Ages" is the general view of the poverty,
> superstitious ignorance, and stagnation during this period. This
> persisted until the rebirth of reason known as the Renaissance. This
> opened up a new era of optimism, prosperity, and scientific progress,
> all made possible by the philosophies of secular humanism and
> scientific method.

Gary, again, what are your sources and list your evidence for this. FYI I
have a history degree and specialized in the European Middle Ages. I also
don't believe in the Rennaisance (at least the pop definition of the term,
i.e. the period between 1500 and 1600). The reasons are too lengthy to go
into here, but mostly stem from the evidence that the growth of the
scientific method, humanism, learning, etc did not begin after 1500 but much
much earlier. Specifically, I'd reccommend you look at the 12th C
Rennaisance, and there are a number of good books I can reccommend on the
subject. Indeed this was the 2nd such Rennaisance to occur (the first was in
the mid-750s or so) so to suggest the MA were the "Dark Ages" are wildly
inaccurate on BOTH definitions.

Damon, and lets not get into a discussion of the growth in superstition in
the post 1500 era...

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