On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:53:49 -0500, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <snip> > > Dan Minette wrote: <snip> > > > From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <snip> > > If you go through confession and absolution, in your heart, that's what > > counts for Communion, isn't it? So, are your sins between you and God > > or between you and God and other parties? > > It is mixed; as others have said. In Christianity, the involvement of the > community in confessing sins goes back a long ways. The fact that it is in > a gospel indicates that it goes back to the first century. >>>>>
The Protestants have a different view of confession. http://www.faithalone.org/journal/1988ii/wilkin.html http://www.faithalone.org/journal/1989i/Wilkin.html Here is the Catholic Church view. http://www.catholic.com/library/Forgiveness_of_Sins.asp > > With the reformation, the community has been downplayed. Recently, the > idea of just God and me has gained some foothold. One sees a number of > non-connectional churches springing up. But, the connectional churches do > have some understanding of the involvement of community in reconciliation. <snip> > I'll give you what was/is important to me. Erasmus was a humanist scholar > who took the middle ground in the reformation. He was offered a red hat > (cardinal) and declined it to remain more objective. He pushed scholarship > over later tradition in the translation of scripture. > > He had a strong sense that the church needed to stay together, instead of > splitting into, literally, warring factions. He convinced a pope that > there was something fundamentally wrong with the financing of the church, > but the pope didn't have the courage to take the risk inherent in totally > undoing the financial structure of the church. He was regaled by both > sides because he was more interested in unity than pointing fingers. > > >From this came a tradition of thought that produced the Enlightenment. I > see myself in the tradition of supporting unity within the church; as well > as holding enlightenment thought as my basic philosophy. (If I'm anything > I'm a Kantiant; and Kant was the greatest philosopher of the > Enlightenment.) >>>>>> Take the philosopher survey: http://selectsmart.com/PHILOSOPHY me - 1. Kant (100%) 2. John Stuart Mill (95%) 3. Jean-Paul Sartre (76%) 4. Epicureans (75%) ... Immanuel Kant (1724-1804) We combine a priori and a posteriori knowledge. A priori knowledge is knowledge gained or justified by reason alone, without the direct or indirect influence of experience . A posteriori knowledge is any other sort of knowledge, viz. knowledge the attainment or justification of which requires reference to experience. a.. We have freedom a.. God is not essential for moral argumentation a.. The objective facts about the human knowledge leads to morality a.. We must act out of a sense of duty in order to be moral a.. Moral action does not come out of following inclinations a.. Moral standards must be followed without qualification a.. We must always act so that the means of our actions could be a universal law a.. We must always treat people as ends not means Mill, John Stuart (1806-1873) a.. The Utilitarian principle is correct when the quality of pleasures is accounted for. Utilitarianism is both a theory of the good and a theory of the right. Although Mill was a utilitarian, he argued that not all forms of pleasure are of equal value, using his famous saying "It is better to be Socrates unsatisfied, than a pig satisfied." a.. Liberty is the most important pleasure. Politics, philosophy and religion are bound together. I was much more of a libertarian until I decided I was more of a balance-of-powers-atarian and libertarians ignored the liberty reducing power of concentrations of wealth. I was a non-denominational Protestant who had explored Catholicism in college until I decided to research religion esp. Christianity in the 80's. I would have thought i was more Mills than Kant but what do I know, I'm not a philosopher. > > Hope this was enough. > > Dan It got me thinking about transubstantiation, confession and the old what philosopher are you test. Gary "they didn't have Homer Simpson in the philosophers' Denton "The Simpsons and Philosophy: The D'oh! of Homer" by William Irwin "The Gospel According to the Simpsons" by Mark Pinsky. Homer; "You're everywhere, You're omnivorous. Oh Lord!" "The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." --Plato (427?-347 B.C.) Notebook - http://elemming.blogspot.com Easter Lemming Liberal News Digest - http://elemming2.blogspot.com #1 on google for liberal news
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