Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote,

    Getting back to what I think was behind the discussion
    in another thread, while I don't know what Michael
    Moore himself intended with his 'pay in blood'
    comment, what I heard was the inevitability of a sort
    of karmic balance, or another version of 'the sins of
    the fathers are visited upon the children.'  ...

In my ideolect, you are debating the statement in moral terms.  I do
not know what Moore intended either, but the statement also makes
sense as a non-moral prediction of the future:  whether or not you
supported the intent, these are consequences, which include moral
consequences.  (Presumably you considered them before deciding one way
or the other.)

In `Steps to an Ecology of Mind', Gregory Bateson described the
Allies' 1919 betrayal of the Fourteen Points as similar.  (In his
case, he noted that talk within war or peace is different from talk
regarding war and peace.)

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