At 02:41 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
>> The Catholic Church would argue that no, one should not... evil to
>prevent evil is still
>> evil.
>>
>> In reality, all the Catholic Church is saying here is the simple moral
>> precept that "the ends do not justify the means."
>
>I may not have been as clear to others as I was to myself in the last post.
>What I am saying is that the just war argument is very much a "ends
>justifies the means" argument.

If I follow your logic correctly, you seem to be saying that:

The killing of innocent people is an objective evil.   (True)

War kills innocent peoplle.  (Mostly True)

Therefore, War is Objectively Evil.  

This conclusion, however, is a Syllogism, and is False.

It is not the intent of someone undertaking a just War to kill innocent
people.    This intent is important.

Using your logic, however, one would conclude that driving automobiles
kills innocent people, therfore driving automobiles is objectively evil -
which is, of course, ridiculous.

It is worth noting that "the ends justify the means" is what brought us
Manzanar and Minidoka (et al.)    I feel much more comfortable in saying
that the internment camps were objectively immoral than merely saying that
the payoff wasn't high enough for us to have gone that far.

JDG



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