> Travis Edmunds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >From: Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Travis Edmunds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

<snippage throughout> 
> > > .... However, I
> > > would argue that if one isn't fanatical about
> > > his or her religion, then they
> > > aren't being 'true' to their religion.

> >Yet all of my friends who profess an organized
> >religion....are wise
> >enough to understand that one size does not fit
all.
> 
> A very sensible approach. One that I personally
> agree with.... 

> > > ....So why would a god lay out principles to
> > > adhere to in the first place?

> >To keep the world from descending back into Chaos.
> >To test for obedience.
> >To keep people living harmoniously together.
 
> <smiling at the 'indulgent one'>
> 'Twas merely a rhetorical question.

But sometimes it's fun to answer them!  :)
 
> >I ask, 'who says these rules come from the Divine,
> >and what proof do they offer?'
 
> If one has such questions brewing in their mind,
> then a mug full of 
> organized religion would not be nearly as palatable
> as a cup of personal belief....But 
> it cannot be equated with the store-bought product..

True; hence my quasi-affiliation as a heretic
Lutheran.
 
> >  What I have had to adapt to is the silence of
> >uncertainty, despite the recurrent sense of a
> >Presence.
 
> The silence of uncertainty is a silence that screams
> in my ears daily. As 
> for the sense of a 'presence'...I'm just not
sure....
> as part of the congregation....I felt something. But

> I would not ascribe 'a presence/THE Presence' to it.
> Merely a sense of 
> communion with those around me....But such can be 
> found at any 'gathering' of 
> sorts. Divinity? Herd mentality? 

There *is* something to a gathered mass of folk with
the same purpose; as you mentioned, it can occur at a
live band concert.  <grin>  When I saw Genesis, I
recall the air feeling positively electric; a drum
solo had us all stomping and clapping and
hooting...Fiben would've been pleased!  

> Perhaps even finding God and not knowing 
> it! For the quest for God may be inside ourselves.
> And what better way to 
> find 'it', than gathering? And for a common purpose
> no less. Be it belief in 
> a specific faith. A shared affinity for a particular
> rock band. A family reunion even!
> 
> Ah! But do you hear it? The silence of uncertainty
> beckons...
 
> >It is neither easy nor particularly reassuring, but
> >it is...exasperatingly hopeful.
> 
> In my personal writing career, I have this project
> that I dump random ideas 
> into. One such idea took the form of a quote from
> yours truly:
> 
> "Optimism is, in most cases, a complete disregard
> for the truth."

<grin>  Goes well with my personal philosophy,
Pragmatic Idealism.
 
> I consider myself a realist. At least as much as I
> can be. And while I think 
> that the above quote holds true more often than not,
> I am inclined to be 
> optimistic, to be hopeful, for the sake of my own
> sanity. Yet I constantly 
> ask myself when being the least bit hopeful about
> something, if I'm not perhaps going overboard.
> 
> Thay say aim high. That way you won't hit as low. I
> say aim low. That way 
> you haven't got so far to fall.

But it *is* important to have good expectations, of
yourself and others, or you risk a sort of
self-fufilling prophecy.  It doesn't always work, but
I know that when I expect my horse to go forward past
some scary thing, s/he is much more likely to overcome
er's fear and do it, rather than if I anxiously worry
'will s/he go?'  <yet another horse analogy!!!!>

Debbi
Bow Not To The Lowest Common Denominator! Maru   ;)


                
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