----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: What are the real rules? and a bit on unions




Also, I went back and looked at David's statement..to make sure I didn't
have to write a major retraction after contradicting him.  He wrote:

"The chains that have union contracts pay living wages with basic
benefits and decent conditions, lifting their workers out of poverty in
fair recompense
for a hard day's work."

Kroger's has a union contract and pays worse than HEB, which does not...to
the best of my knowledge.  This is, basically, independent of the fact that
highly unionized industries like steel,  auto, shipping, etc. pay far more
than the average retail job.  There may be exceptions with some localized
highly unionized areas with relatively high salaries for retail, but
overall...retail just does not pay front line employees very well at all.

Dan M.


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