At 01:07 PM 10/11/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: >> This is pretty pathetic, even by your standards. > >Yes, your insults are customary and shrugged off.
This would be as opposed to your usual polite and reasoned discussion on this List? For example, the following?: >The one person I know will not actually read or absorb >ot study my "salvo" is you, John. So please, unless >you do so, opt out of this. Go follow this mad >alliance of kleptocrats, apocalypts and neocon >Imperialists. [snip] >A lack of skepticism toward one's own motives is the >sure fire sign of a romantic. I would mention your susceptibility to chain mail about hurricanes here, to name just one example, but that would be too easy.... >I will repeat what he SAID below. Moreover, if you >HAD READ my "salvo" at >http://www.davidbrin.com/neocons.html >you would see that I never once mention asking for >permission in describing the long list of successes >and failures of Pax Americana interventions. Its not my fault that your "salvo" is hardly an endorsement of John Kerry. Remember, John Kerry voted *AGAINST* the First Gulf War - the one supported by the largest allied coalition since at least World War II, if not ever, and the one with a gold-plated United Nations Security Council endorsement. John Kerry is hardly the flag-bearer for the "Pax Americana" movement of you describe. That probably explains why you spend so little time in your salvo, ostensibly on the upcoming election, talking about John Kerry and his policies. In fact, you mention "Kerry" just once in its entire length - and at that in the final paragraph and at that only in passing. You have clearly damned Kerry with your faint praise. How else can we interpret your grand "salvo" on the upcoming election where you can only lambaste your opponents, and can't find a single word to say in favor of your side? >> Hell, even George Bush agreed we should do that - >> that's why Bush wanted >> FIFTEEN MONTHS after the "axis of evil" speech >> before attacking Iraq, which >> is why he sought unanimous passage at the United >> Nations of Security >> Council resolution 1441, and why he sent Colin >> Powell to the United >> Nations to lay out the causes that were leading the >> US to take its actions. > >Excuse me. But EXPLAINING to the world does not mean >telling relentless lies They aren't lies if you sincerely believe them to be true. Aren't you the one who just noted that everyone is susceptible to evidence that reconfirms what they already want to believe? >and then bullying and bribing >to get your way. Then interpreting resolutions as >they were never meant. Never meant? UNSC Resolution 678 (1990): The Situation Between Iraq and Kuwait ...... 2. Authorizes Member States co-operating with the government of Kuwait, ....to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 (1990) and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area. UNSC Resolution 1441: The Situation Between Iraq and Kuwait ....... The Security Council, recalling all its previous relevant resolutions, in particular its resolutions.... 678 (1990) of 29 November 1990.... The legal justification for this war was open-and-shut by a plain reading of the text. UNSC 1441 was passed unanimously by the UNSC (including *Syria*, China France, and Russian Federation), Iraq clearly did not comply with UNSC 1441, and UNSC 1441 was clearly "subsequent to" UNSC 678. >> John Kerry, of course, meant > >I have had enough of this. Here are his actual words. > >"No president, through all of American history, has >ever ceded -- and nor would I -- the right to preempt >in any way necessary, to protect the United States of >America. But if and when you do it, Jim, you've got >to do it in a way that passes the, the test, that >passes the global test where your countrymen, your >people, understand fully why you're doing what you're >doing, and you can prove to the world that you did it >for legitimate reasons." This "global test" hardly sounds like making a simple "open declaration." 21 of 30 US allies supported the Iraq War. Colin Powell went to the United Nations. The Bush Administration spent 15 months presenting their case. If this is "failure" under John Kerry's global test, if Gulf War I is "failure" under John Kerry's global test - then what is a passing grade????? The world may never know. JDG _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
