----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:32 AM
Subject: Won what? (was Re: So it begins....)


> JDG wrote:
>
> > Again, the only conclusion I can draw from using loaded language like
"so
> > it begins" is that religious conservatives either shouldn't be allowed
to
> > participate in the political process, or that if they are, they
shouldn't
> > ever be allowed to actually *win* and maybe enact some portions of
their
> > Agenda.   Apparently the nation's social policy is supposed to be left
to
> > the *losers* of election, or better yet, to judges who were never even
> > elected in the first place!
>
> I don't think this is about winning or losing elections.  To me, it is
> about how the leadership views the nation.

How about how the direction in which the nation wants to go?

>The party that wins the
> White House and Congress hasn't won the country in the way that the
> person with a winning lottery ticket wins the money.  Elections are our
> way of making the best decision we can, not our way of deciding who was
> right and who was wrong.  It is much more of a conversation than a
> contest; I think those who talk about it more as a contest than a
> conversation do us all a great disservice.

I've always thought of it as a contest of ideas...which model of running
our nation gains predominence.  For example, the concept of lassie faire
small government lost out in 1932, and the whole nation benefited from
FDR's actions.  So, it does involve conversation, but it involves more.
Unlike most Presbyterian committees, something is actually done after the
conversation over what to do reaches a certain point.  Certainly the
conversation continues, but there is a point where decisions about actions
are needed.

> In a fair election, there are no losers.  Sadly, it seems that hardly
> anyone is willing to look at it that way these days.

Well, the vast amount of payments to Congressmen makes me think that people
are betting a lot of money that they will win with certain candidates.

Dan M.


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