----- Original Message ----- From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: Re: New Pope?
> Dan Minette wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:05 PM > > Subject: Re: New Pope? > > > > > > > >>On Apr 3, 2005, at 9:09 PM, Dan Minette wrote: > >> > >> > >>>From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>>>Pffft. Developing implies some sort of progress. We're backsliding. > >>> > >>>Out of curiosity, how is that possible if you don't believe in truth? > >> > >>Um, what? > >> > >>I assume here you mean some kind of godly entity, rather than "truth", > >>because you used the term "believe in". > > > > > > No, "self-evident truths" definately qualify in my mind. Thus, I'd argue > > that secular humanists who believe in human rights act on faith, because there is no empirical evidence for human rights. Holding truths to be self-evident indicates that the founding fathers believed this too. It makes sense, because that understanding was very much a part of the enlightenment. Dan M. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
