Re: Democracy in Iraq Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

[Warren Ockrassa]

On Apr 9, 2005, at 2:20 PM, JDG wrote:
At 04:17 PM 4/7/2005 -0700, Nick wrote:
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
It means that there wasn't a third option between
going to war to remove Hussein and leaving him in
power.  It didn't exist.  No one proposed one that was
even vaguely plausible.  You could choose one or the
other.
Really?  No other options?  Then what of all those that opposed the 
war,
including almost every major religious organization across the globe? 
 Was
the
Pope trying to stop democracy in Iraq?  The World Council of 
Churches, the
Conference of European Churches, the National Council of Churches of
Christ in
the USA, the Middle East Council of Churches, the churches of Norway,
Finland
and Denmark, Greece, the United Methodist Church, my own Lutheran 
church and
on and on and on  -- were they all trying to stop democracy in Iraq 
when
they
opposed this war and proposed other options.
I think that the answer to that is unequivocally yes, in effect.   The
policies advocated by the above would have resulted in Iraq's most 
recent
democratic elections not happening.
1. There's no way you can prove that.
2. The above is dangerously close to "ends justify means" reasoning.
You're fond of suggesting that those who opposed attaching a sovereign 
nation that had done nothing militarily against the US are also opposed 
to stopping, say, genocide in Rwanda (which we also didn't do, BTW) -- 
you've done a reductio ad absurdum.

But your reasoning can be handled in the same fashion. If you believe 
it's acceptable to attack a nation because you don't like its leaders, 
then it's abundantly clear that no nation is secure from your bellicose 
policies, and that eventually every nation will be under attack from 
the US.

Total War. That's the policy *you* are supporting, to take the same 
step into absurdity you have taken.

--
Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
http://books.nightwares.com/
Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror"
http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf
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