Dan Minette wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:36 PM > Subject: Re: Mindless and Heartless > > > >> Whether one agrees with Sheehan or not is beside the point here. >> Anti-semitism is the dislike/hatred of Jews, not necessarily the >> criticism of of any group of Jews politics. Would even the lightest >> criticism of the NAACP be racist? > > No. There are plenty of criticisms that would not be anti-Semitic. > But, accusing Jews of not being loyal to the country and controlling > the country for their own ends has a long and nasty history. It's > like calling blacks lazy and shiftiness and then protesting that one > is not a racist. > > I'll give an example that I gave to Jerone. My babysitter when I > was > young was a very wonderful older (60s) woman. But, she was taught > racism, and she was racist. She said she couldn't be, because she > never really met a black person. But she thought that the rich > black > entertainers should use their money to sent the blacks back to > Africa, where they belonged. > > That was a racist statement. It didn't stop her from being a > wonderful person. When one hears one of the classic racist > statements; it is extremely likely that it came from a racist > source. > It is quite possible that someone picked up the opinion without > thinking much about it; and could still be a good person in many > many > ways, like my old babysitter. > > The question of whether a Jew could really be loyal to the state > goes > back a long ways. It was clearly stated in "On the Jewish > Question." > When a classic accusation is raised yet again, a red flag goes up > with me. That's not just some random minor criticism....that's an > accusation that has a long and sordid history. >
I understand and agree with your statements concerning racism, but again I think it is beside the point. For a very long time the US and Israel have had shared interests and the US has strongly invested resources in Israel's defence. The NeoCons, with a significant Jewish component, are supporters of Israel. (I'm interested in learning more about the PNAC cited in the quote) It seems to me that claiming anti-semitism on the part of Sheehan means ignoring history and the facts of the current administration regardless of whether Sheehan is correct or not. Speaking for myself, any benefit to Israel would be an incidental benefit rather than a reason to go to war in itself, but I recognize that there may exist an overall plan that I am not aware of on the part of the administration and/or the NeoCons. Is anyone familiar with that NeoCon document, Plan For An American Century doohicky or whatever? If there were any factual basis for the claim it would likely show up there. It occurs to me that this is America, and here we should listen to diverse opinions and agree to disagree if that is our inclination, without feeling the need to demonize those who disagree with us. The automatic interpretation with extreme definitions of any dissenting view and the ensuing wash of vitamin fortified gonad juices is evidence of the primitive set loose. This is not worthy of the sophisticated minds nutured in the rich and fertile enviroment of the most powerful land on the planet. At some point we have to find our unity. xponent Yall Be Illin Maru rob _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
