On 6/30/2006 3:28:51 PM, Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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> On
> > Behalf Of Robert Seeberger
> > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:20 PM
> > To: Killer Bs Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples
> >
> > Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
> > >
> > > . A stiffer join means that force is
> > > transmitted through the structure more efficiently, so weakening
> > > vibrations could have sundered the lower parts of the structure
> > > before
> > > the actual wave of collapse reached a particular level.
> >
> > Let me clarify myself a bit here.
> > I'm proposing that there is a damaging kinetic shockwave that runs
> > ahead of the actual wave of collapse weakening structural members 
> > to
> > the degree that the collapse wave progresses almost unimpeded.
>
> Ah, that does make sense.  If one thinks of the force on a steel 
> beam when
> thousands of tons fall on it, one can think of a significant shock 
> wave
> traveling at the speed of sound.  That speed in steel is about 6000
> meters/sec and close to 20,000 feet/sec.
>

The question I think is, is this a real effect?
As I'm visualizing things, and incorporating the speed of sound info 
you provide, the vibrational shock runs ahead of the collapse wave by 
a very great distance (in a structure of this size it would be 
rebounding throughout the surviving structure during the entire event, 
essentially hammering every weak link until failure.) bouncing top to 
bottom with the chaotic vibratory forces being swamped by the resonant 
vibratory forces that are reinforced with every cycle. The resonant 
cycles would have an effect that is quite different than the general 
collapse that evidences mostly lateral shearing forces in that they 
produce much more longitudinal shear.
The only way I can think of to prove such a hypothesis is to sample 
bolts from the upper building and compare them to bolts sampled from 
the lower building. The upper building should show evidence of more 
lateral shear and the lower longitudinal shear.
Does this make sense?
And am I using the terminology correctly?
(I'm not exactly sure about terms used for lateral and longitudinal 
shear)

Of course, this is just intuitive guessing and we all know what value 
that has.<G>
(I'm aware that the kind of resonance I'm speaking of may well be 
simply a matter of chance peculiar to the specific building and its 
engineering and not some general rule that could be applied in all 
such events)

xponent
Comic Book Logic Maru
rob 


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