On 28/07/2006, at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Another problem is that members of a species may never have an opportunity
to interbreed.

That's not so much of a problem - if there are two distinct breeding groups that are separated, they can be considered separate species even if they could successfully reproduce if mingled. But yes, it does show another grey area that must be considered when deciding on species status.


A ring species where there are variations in a geographically
continuous members who can interbreed with their "next door neighbor but not with individuals at the other end of the ring (be it around the world or around
 a geographic barrier.)

For everyone else, in case you're not aware, the classic example is usually given as various gulls around the Arctic Circle. The Lesser Black-Backed Gull and the Herring Gull are two common gulls seen in the UK, two very distinct species. But the Herring Gull could interbreed with the American Herring Gull, and the Black-Backed with its Russian cousins. And those relatives interbreed with others further round, and *those* breed with each other. So it shows that small variations that characterise only sub-species or close species relationships can lead to a wide gulf across a long geographic range.

Of course, science being science, it's recently been shown that while the concept is sound, the classic example might not actually be a true ring species as the Herring Gull and American Herring Gull's ranges are distinct, and they both evolved from a common ancestor. D'oh. :) But it also seems like the range of the Lesser Black-Backed is expanding across the Atlantic, so the ring may yet be closed...

Charlie


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