> Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I wrote:
> 
> <big DEFANGED_snip>

What the hay?  This is the second time DEFANGED has
been inserted into one of my posts; I did not use any
foul language -- and when I have typed 'hell,' 'damn'
or such, it's gone through unchanged.
 
> > Well, I've got to go, so will send this incomplete
> > post;  my rank tyro interpretation of the Mayan
> > collapses is that they had more to do with bad
> > societal choices, with environment degradation a
> > lesser cause (although some of those choices led
> > to deforestation and so on).
> 
> But this article hints otherwise:
> 
>
http://meta-religion.com/Archaeology/Central_america/lost_mayan_ruins.htm
> ...Scientists believe the Maya fell prey to a number
> of cataclysmic environmental problems, including
> deforestation and drought, that led to their
> downfall, Irwin said...

I've finally realized why I wanted to blame the Mayan
choices more than the prior cultures studied in the
book:  I just plain don't like people who cut off bits
of their prisoners and continue to torture them for up
to two years before they're executed at a public
festival.  Talk about cruel and unusual punishment.

Issue: is loss of a central government enough to speak
of a society collapsing?  Or would one refer to
leftover remnants as continuation of that society;
what about if the leftovers carry the seed and a
similar society re-emerges?

Debbi
The Postman Maru

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