On 4 Nov 2007, at 17:15, Nick Arnett wrote:

> On 11/4/07, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=258
>>
>> "Global publics are sharply divided over the relationship between
>> religion and morality. In much of Africa, Asia, and the Middle East,
>> there is a strong consensus that belief in God is necessary for
>> morality and good values. Throughout much of Europe, however,
>> majorities think morality is achievable without faith. Meanwhile,
>> opinions are more mixed in the Americas, including in the United
>> States, where 57% say that one must believe in God to have good  
>> values
>> and be moral, while 41% disagree.
>
>
> The question isn't even appropriate to Christianity.  Even though  
> there is
> no shortage of people who have the idea that Christianity's value is  
> in
> making people moral, that's not what Christ taught.  His strongest
> criticisms were aimed at the "Moral Majority" of his time, the
> self-righteous people.  Christ was not a moralist, he was a savior.   
> His
> message was about sacrifice much more than obedience.

How come 57% of Americans answered that question that way then?  
Presumably that's their understanding of Christianity even if it isn't  
yours (most Americans self-identify as Christian.)

>
>
> If you ask a survey question that's based on erroneous assumptions,  
> the
> results don't mean what the pollsters intended.

The survey doesn't make any assumptions - they asked the same  
questions in Muslim and Hindu and other countries. It's you that has  
the Christian bias.

>
>
> It is perfectly reasonable for Christians to believe that morality is
> achievable without belief in God.

That's one less phony argument for religion anyway.


-- 
William T Goodall
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