----- Original Message ----- From: "William T Goodall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion" <brin-l@mccmedia.com> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: Re: Polygamy
On 4 Feb 2008, at 14:40, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, William T Goodall wrote: > >> >> On 4 Feb 2008, at 05:10, Julia Thompson wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, William T Goodall wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 4 Feb 2008, at 03:24, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: >>>> >>>>> Keith Henson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Considering that polygamy is the norm for the vast majority of >>>>>> the >>>>>> cultures in the world, it's an interesting question how the >>>>>> western >>>>>> countries, and a few others, became monogamous. It seems to be >>>>>> associated with settled agriculture but I don't know if there >>>>>> is a >>>>>> connection or why. >>>>>> >>>>> I would guess that it's peace that doomed polygamy. There can't >>>>> be polygamy unless there's more women than men, otherwise >>>>> the men without women will revolt. >>>>> >>>> >>>> If gay men don't marry women then there are more available women >>>> than >>>> straight men. >>> >>> You're failing to take into account lesbians who have absolutely >>> no >>> interest in men. (Like several people in one of my social >>> circles....) >>> That might balance things out somewhat there, putting you back to >>> square >>> one. >> >> >> The consensus is that the proportion of women who are lesbians is >> much lower than the proportion of men who are gay. If we remove all >> gay and lesbian people from the equation there is still a surplus >> of >> straight women to straight men. How big a surplus depends on whose >> numbers for the proportions are correct. > > I think the concensus is off, then. I think it's close to equal, or > very > slightly biased towards more lesbians. > > Do you have sources to cite? I'd be interested in seeing them if > you do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation "United States 1990: "Homosexuality/Heterosexuality: Concepts of Sexual Orientation" published findings of 13.95% of males and 4.25% of females having had either "extensive" or "more than incidental" homosexual experience. [12] 1990-1992: The American National Health Interview Survey does household interviews of the civilian non-institutionalized population. The results of three of these surveys, done in 1990-1991 and based on over 9,000 responses each time, found between 2-3% of the people responding said yes to a set of statements which included "You are a man who has had sex with another man at some time since 1977, even one time." [13] 1992: The National Health and Social Life Survey asked 3,432 respondents whether they had any homosexual experience. The findings were 1.3% for women within the past year, and 4.1% since 18 years; for men, 2.7% within the past year, and 4.9% since 18 years;[14] 1993: The Alan Guttmacher Institute found of sexually active men aged 2039 found that 2.3% had experienced same-sex sexual activity in the last ten years, and 1.1% reported exclusive homosexual contact during that time.[15] 1993: Researchers Samuel and Cynthia Janus surveyed American adults aged 18 and over by distributing 4,550 questionnaires; 3,260 were returned and 2,765 were usable. The results of the cross-sectional nationwide survey stated men and women who reported frequent or ongoing homosexual experiences were 9% of men and 5% of women. [16] 1998: A random survey of 1672 males (number used for analysis) aged 15 to 19. Subjects were asked a number of questions, including questions relating to same-sex activity. This was done using two methods a pencil and paper method, and via computer, supplemented by a verbal rendition of the questionnaire heard through headphones which obtained vastly different results. There was a 400% increase in males reporting homosexual activity when the computer-audio system was used: from a 1.5% to 5.5% positive response rate; the homosexual behavior with the greatest reporting difference (800%, adjusted) was to the question "Ever had receptive anal sex with another male": 0.1% to 0.8%. [17] 2003: Smith's 2003 analysis of National Opinion Research Center data[18] states that 4.9% of sexually active American males had had a male sexual partner since age 18, but that "since age 18 less than 1% are [exclusively] gay and 4+% bisexual". In the top twelve urban areas however, the rates are double the national average. Smith adds that "It is generally believed that including adolescent behavior would further increase these rates."The NORC data has been criticised because the original design sampling techniques were not followed, and depended upon direct self report regarding masturbation and same sex behaviors. (For example, the original data in the early 1990s reported that approximately 40% of adult males had never masturbated--a finding inconsistent with some other studies.)" ******************************************************************* Inconsistent with other studies????? Hell, that is inconsistent with reality!!!!!! Masturbation is almost a universal fact of life. But my experience is quite like Julia"s FTMP. In my experience more women admit to bi-sexual tendencies than men, but the overall numbers of those who identify themselves as strictly homosexual are fairly even. xponent One Fisted Tales Of Disingenuity Maru rob
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