>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Olin Elliott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion" <[email protected]>
>Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:54 AM
>Subject: Re: New Creationist Ploy


>The "I" that perceives is not anything -- its an illusion, a trick of 
>perception and >memory. It doesn't exist -- there is not fixed self. 
>Buddha knews that 2500 years ago, ?>and modern science is showing him 
>right.

Hi Olin,

Surely the "I" that perceives is something.  Just because it can't exist 
outside a brain,  doesn't mean it isn't real.

If matter couldn't exist outside this universe, would that mean that matter 
is an illusion?

Software can't run outside a computer, does that mean it's not real?

What exactly does real mean?

Regards,

Wayne.


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