On 22/09/2009, at 11:24 PM, Chris Frandsen wrote:

Being civil has nothing to do with respecting beliefs. Being civil means not being unnecessarily offensive while pointing out where beliefs are damaging our societies. Some beliefs deserve ZERO respect (creationism, anti-vaccinationism etc). However playing to Christian beliefs if it helps frame a debate in a way they'll understand can be useful and help keep the tone civil.

One of the ideals behind the foundation of this country was religious freedom. To me that means that we respect the right of an individual to have his/her own religious beliefs.

Respecting that right, and respecting the belief is not the same thing. I'll defend vigorously the right of someone to believe and claim the earth is 6000 years old, even as I'm ridiculing that belief as stupid. But I'll do it politely...

Another principal was the separation of church and state. I think it is appropriate to point out when religion crosses that line but not by attacking the beliefs themselves.


I disagree strongly. Some beliefs are stupid and wrong. Attacking stupid ideas is vital to our progress. We've been far too accommodating to daft ideas in recent years. But always addressing the idea and not the person is equally vital, as long as they're doing the same courtesy.

Charlie.

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