On 18 Nov 2009 at 20:40, Bruce Bostwick wrote:

> Considering the fact that the only two "loss of vehicle and crew"  
> events NASA has ever had to deal with that actually involved going  
> into or coming back from space (not counting Apollo 1 in that, as it  

Both were directly caused by problems on-launch...

> the RCC leading edge of the wing -- and since the spaceplane design in  
> question does *not* include any abort options from liftoff to the  

!??? What spaceplane design do you think I'm talking about? I am not 
refering to any single design, and never have been.

>I'd have to question why putting  crew on top of a rocket is 
>"insane".

Because both failures on launch are related to strapping huge rockets 
to the crew section, and then taking off vertically, maybe?

> a lot of ways.  About the only thing Ares I/Ares V can't do is...  

...Is retrieve the decades lost while NASA messed arround with the 
shuttle and ISS? Oh, and let's not forget "launch affordably", "be 
reuseable", "have a sensible turnarround time", "use safer hybrid 
fuel systems"...

AndrewC

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