On 19 Nov 2009 at 8:19, Bruce Bostwick wrote:

> Oh, and while we're talking about STS .. why is it, exactly, that NASA  
> has been dropping all of those ET's back into the atmosphere to burn  
> up, after spending the $10k/pound to get them up there, and not saving  
> them on-orbit as construction material?

One of my my *major* bugbears with the way the entire program's been 
run, actually. They've hauled up the ISS *inside* the shuttle. I have 
yet to hear any convincing explination either.

For reference, the volume of the ET's LOX tank alone is very roughly 
3500m^3. The current ISS habitable volume is 358m^3.

>The stack geometry of the STS is one of the most insane  
>things I've ever seen, and I'm quite frankly impressed that they've  
>only had two LOV/C's and not many more, especially in the pre-51L  
>days.  

I'm not convinced that for carrying Humans, Ares is going to be much 
safer. Yes, I've heard the arguments. Still not entirely convinced, 
and it's still an extremely expensive launch vehicle - for the price, 
they'd be better just using proven Russian lifters.

>And you know what?  If you come up with a propulsion system that's  
>more efficient than binary-fuel combustion from onboard fuel and  
>oxidizer, 

Well - I'm sure you're aware that SpaceShipOne sucessfully used a 
N2O/HTPB Hybrid rocket engine. And I'm with Pournelle's contention 
that if you gave Rutan a billion, he'd have a working reuseable 
Spaceplane which could reach a reasonable orbit inside three years. 
(And honestly, he could of done so for at least a decade).

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