David Hobby wrote: > Alberto Monteiro wrote: >> David Hobby wrote: >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Hph-wayuo >>> Alberto-- >>> >>> Hi. I think you can make a good case to keep it, >>> since it involves a major character in a series >>> of popular science fiction novels. >>> >> No, not my language, not my place to battle. I've tried >> to keep the Portuguese language trolls away from deleting >> relevant material - I can say I have been half-successful. > > Alberto-- > > Wow, I guess it is my place to battle. I've been going > back and forth with the "troll", at: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alvin_Hph-wayuo > > Some of this is because I don't really understand his > criteria, or what the problem is with having an entry. > >>> The pages for the books should also link to Alvin's >>> page. But wait, the entry at >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity%27s_Shore >>> is just a stub... >>> >> Yes, it's a stub, and fortunately so. Another stupid decision >> made in the English wikipedia was that spoilers are _not_ >> marked as such. Just take a look a the article about >> "The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre" movie... >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passion_of_the_Christ >> ... or about the Titanic (the nazi rip-off by Cameron)... >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_(1997_film) >> ... and see how carelessly it gives the end of both movies without >> respect for those who don't know the stories! > > Aren't they usually marked as plot synopses, or > something? But you're right, I bet a lot of people > don't care about avoiding spoilers. > >>> O.K., so maybe the problem is that a case can eventually >>> be made for Wikipedia to keep the page, but that >>> the related pages aren't detailed enough yet. I >>> can see developing a Wiki devoted to the Uplift >>> Universe in the meantime, and copying its content >>> onto Wikipedia as time passes. >>> >> I think the best would be to do the opposite: create an Uplift wiki, >> copy _from_ Wikipedia, and remove from Wikipedia. > > And all the Wikipedia articles would have would be a > link to the extra material? That seems fair, too. > > ---David > > _______________________________________________ > http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com >From what you've said, he's asking you to prove the Alvin article is important enough to be in the English Wikipedia. Recently, the editors, powers that be, or what have you have taken a much more active interest in being a "serious" encyclopedia. That means, for example, if I created an article on Trent Shipley, it would be removed since I don't merit mention in an encyclopedia.
David Brin is an important science fiction author so he merits mention in Wikipedia. The Jijo trilogy merits mention. Each book in the trilogy merits an article. However, each book is based on an ensemble cast. Alvin is an ensemble character in trilogy by an author of moderate importance in a work of moderate importance. Thus, Alvin is too trivial to be in Wikipedia. If he were a Shakespeare character, no matter how minor, he would be in Wikipedia, because Shakespeare is a very important author. If he were a minor Naruto character he might rate an article because Naruto is very popular. But as it is, Alvin doesn't meet the criteria for important enough. _______________________________________________ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
