Three replies in one - hope that's OK. David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That said, I suspect that it would be a lot harder to find such people > who are willing to live and work outside London.
That surprises me. There seem to be lots of good people living outside London who really don't want to work inside it with the overcrowding and the black snot and so on. I think there could a London/non-London split - I know people both inside and outside London and I don't expect many of them to be moving across the boundary any time soon. "Paul Makepeace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The old idea that a decent programmer can pick up a new language and > be solidly productive in it in a number of weeks is a hoary old load > of bollocks if you ask me. Sure they can produce _code_ but it won't > be very good and it'll take them much longer than someone skilled in > it, and no programmer I've ever met can start producing complex > application-class code because [...] I've met some who can start producing complex application-class code fairly quickly, but not starting from a blank page. 90%+ of our work is developing existing applications, so that's not a huge problem. Even so, I feel it's easy to overlook the need to assign at least one more experienced programmer to help them get started, through something like pair programming, or at least close reviews and feedback. Maybe companies who don't have worker-learning as part of their Mission find it harder to justify that level investment in their workers, so prefer to hire ready-made programmers? Lyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > There does seem a big business thing to automatically assume .NET or > Java are the best solution. I think a lot of this comes from SUNs and MS > massive certification systems. But Perl certification is a whole other > argument we'll leave for another day :) Not just Perl. Certification entirely is a whole other argument. I don't trust many other organisations enough to delegate checking programmer competence to them. It surprises me so many do and doesn't surprise me at all that so many get into pickles. I guess "no-one got fired for believing EdExcel/Sun/University of Bottles" is a new variation on an old meme. Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ (Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html) tel:+44-844-4437-237 _______________________________________________ BristolBathPM mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.bristolbath.org/mailman/listinfo/bristolbathpm
