Dear Dan and BD, On behalf of the organisers (to use the term generously) I would like to address your concerns about the Copa Cabana (Where the Stars Come Out) Tournament.
I'll first address your well thought points. Thank you for numbering these Dan as it makes my counterpoints easier to follow. 1. First of all it was admittedly quite a lot of Ultimate. Most teams had 12 games over the long weekend. I will defend this though in saying that the quality of Ultimate was very low. I'd hesitate to even say that some of it was even "Ultimate". I think pioneers of the sport like Joel Silver would have been upset to have such a word associated with some of the on pitch performances that weekend. Given we charged a whopping £130 as well we did feel it necessary to give players the appropriate amount of pitch time that would be expected from such an outrageous fee. Lets take this past weekend for example. £180 entry and some teams only got 3 games and one day of play and many others only 4 games! Now Dan you might moan that this was not enough Ultimate (blah blah blah). This was Nationals and as such the best Ultimate the UK had to offer. To pay £60 per game is a bargain to play at that level. That is why at the Copa, knowing in advance the quality of play, we had to pack the schedule to get to same perceived value for money. To make matters more complex, teams that come to the Copa tend to have upwards of 25 to 30 members due to the limited number of teams we can accommodate against the massive number of people wanting to attend. If your team had less than 20 people I'm sorry. Perhaps if you didn't complain so much you'd have a few more friends. I think also you need to understand that the Ultimate during the day is really just a stall tactic we setup to allow us time to construct the Stage and the Sumo pit, cook a 75Kg pig for the massive free dinner, clean up and restore and decorate the Copa Cabana Marquee and the list is endless. We need that time to prepare each evening. You are not required to actually play during that time but it's a great way to make the day go by quickly while you wait for the evening festival atmosphere to kick off. 2. Perhaps this is a cultural difference between Nottingham and the rest of the World. The Nottingham City Council does in fact encourage binge drinking as it keep the gun wielding gangs (typically 'jazzed' on crack) at bay. Since the council's recent 'Get Drunk!' campaign gun violence and "tent death" have dropped significantly. As for partying until 8:30am, when did these people begin partying? If they started at 1am this seems reasonable. Some people started partying at 8:30am, partied for 13 1/2 hours and went to bed at 10pm! Is this then acceptable? Outside of putting a punch clock on the door of the Copa tent....hmmm....right anyways, we can't be everyone's mommy but do try our best to be the "Daddy". Either way at 8:30am the organisers (again using the term loosely) were too busy serving breakfast, and restoring the highly visible Lookfly port-a-fields in preparation a too much Ultimate to be monitoring individual party performance. As for your comment about Bovril we'll take that on board for next year. At the very least we'll try to get Bisto to attend. 3. See comment above about the Nottingham City Council "Get Drunk!" campaign. 4. Regarding this we were as disappointed as you that the game featuring the closest matching team kit was the naked game at midnight under the lights. Perhaps next year making the Copa an all nude event is the only option. 5. Hey don't do that Dan...we love your moaning. We love even more our good friend Jen from Mental Discs who's counter-moaned your moaning. Although her reply does address the issues we the organisers (ok I'm really pushing it now) thought it best to reply directly, openly and approachably as TDs have reliably done to address all complaints throughout the 2006 season. And yes...taking Ultimate seriously is what we're all about at Flyght Club, surely that goes without argument. 6. Actually there were 4 dogs there at the weekend and given the fact the one of the attending dogs was actually incredi-dog we felt that allergic reactions were a small price to pay for the warm fuzzy feeling of protection brought to the event by the attendance of such a celebrity dog with super powers. So in closing I hope all those who did attend the Copa Cabana 2006 tournament had a great time in spite of all of the obvious problems with the event. As usual the planning for next years event is already underway so more public moaning is encouraged to help us bring the Copa ever closer to the elusive 'perfect tournament'. If you have any complaints, praise or suggestions for 2007 there is a forum on the website for such things (although I suggest going public on BD with complaints). http://www.thecopa.co.uk email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards, The guys who do stuff to make the Copa happen ps...a proper tournament report is forthcoming On 04/09/06, Jennifer Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
normally i don't read these emails but as it was about copa i thought i'd have a ganda, and after reading the first three lines i couldn't quite believe what i was hearing! and so felt compelled to read on and got more and more annoyed and frankly pis$ed off at your points that i feel are completely unfoundered. first off three days of ultimate is never too much, and the health risks (if you play properly), are no greater than playing a weekend tournament. as for your sun burn then i feel this is your own fault, as every person with any sense who is gonna be outside all day will obviously wear sun cream and other protection. also your point about achy muscles, this is what a warm up and warm down is called, anyone who warms up and dowm properly should be fine. and if you are feeling the strain of the three day tourny then the obvious answer is to hold back on your playing or stop for that tourny. Also i feel compelled to point out that you chose to play the three days you could have left on the sunday an only played for the weekend, no where does it say that you have to stay for the whole three days! i would like to make the point that i played for the whole three days, and experienced no problems, and then played at nationals this weekend which i know a lot of other people also did and had no problems with playin .!!! and if you say this about this three day toruny what about the teams who are going to be playing in worlds in perth in australia in november for a week, where i am guessing that at this time fo year it will be hot and sunny, i don;t think they will really be complaining about there being too much ultimate. if you felt that your 'graze' was as serious as you obviously feel it is then i am sure there was someone on the site somewhere who could have given you medical attention to sort it out! as for your points about the socials. Copa is renowned for the social side of it as well as the ultimate side of it. at no point in the captains pack did it say that you had to stay up or even participate in the socials, and you could join or leave at any pointthat you wanted. as for the consumption of alcohol, by the very style of the tourny this is a fun one, and as we are all adults over the age of 18 it is our own descression how much or how little we drink, not for anyone to tell us, for some of us this tourny is a almost a holiday and break from the norm of everyday routine so its nice to have a laugh and let our hair down. Also being murdered in our beds?!!! bolloks! i'm sorry but, that is highly unlikely first off it would be pretty stupid for someone to target an area so full of people, secondly we weren't really in the area for 'gang shooting' now were we? so in my opinion that was a redickulous claim to make.! not to forget security man with dog was onsite as for your claims about kit, while in tour and naionals there are clear rules about this and the penalities for not doing this, there are no such rues layed out anywhere for the copa, which i emphasise is a FUN tournament, and its ok for people to play in hawaien shorts if they want as long as both teams are happy that they can clearly distinguish between each other, its not exactly rocket science to make sure one team is darks and one lights now is it?? seriously! and about the dogs, fair point but if someone was allergic we are outside and they can tell the owners that they were and to avoid them we were on a really big field, and as far as i am aware there were no problems whats so ever, and the dogs were fantastically well behaved being around so many strangers for the whole weekend!. i feel that if this is what you fell you should say, then i hope you won't be going to copa next year because it obviously isn't the tournament for you, and you obviously feel that if you can't enjoy it then no one else should! i am sorry if you object to my points but i find the ones you made unjustified and down right rude and insulting to the people who have put so much hard work in organising the copa every aspect from the horrendous time in organising scehdules for so many teams to the fabulous social ideas and socials, amazing food on tap an sumo was awsome! i would like to add my thanks to the team that made copa this year better than it was last year it was truely awsome! and i really enjoyed it, i loved the three days and i genuinley look forward to this tourny all year, and rave about it to all our freshers as the tourny to go to, so thanx again to tom, steve, dene and flight club an everyone else, you guys are awsome. ! can't wait for next year! Dan You have been shot down by Raggaduck! Jen (mental discs) _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp
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