"Who voted at conference? Everyone, or a select group?"
Anyone who wanted to go to the conference could do. I found it was a disappointingly small number. Only about a dozen of us. However, we didn't vote on the subject of publicising tour finances at the conference. Ce. Discuits #57 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2007 14:13 To: [email protected] Cc: Steve G Subject: Re: Re: [BD] Fw: Tour 0 - The Price Eh? Obviously I need to read the Conference minutes... last I knew, UKUA was going to enforce publishing of tournament finances, so that: a) people would know how much profit can be made from running a tournament, and thus be inspired to run their own, hopefully leading to a bidding war which would bring prices back down to 'sensible' levels; b) people could assess whether the facilities garnered for the money paid were worthwhile, and thus take appropriate action (e.g. 'voting with their feet') so that future tournament prices became more 'sensible'. I have no problem with people making profits from tournaments, but I feel that reason a) above is VERY valid and should be stuck to. Who voted at conference? Everyone, or a select group? My immediate suggestion: GAZUMPING - arrange and offer the same tournament (dates, venue, facilities, luxuries) out to UKUA teams at £20 less. You know, each time I re-read that last paragraph, I get more serious about the idea.... Wayne > From: "Steve G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/02/14 Wed PM 01:53:06 GMT > To: [email protected], "UKUA Administrator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [BD] Fw: Tour 0 - The Price > > Um...£180? > > The trend is continuing to get a bit out of control. The last > official outdoor event of 2006 was Nationals which set a precedent of > charging a rather large £180 team fee. > > Now sure enough, first event of 2007 and we see £180 a team opening > the door for all other TDs to charge the same or more. These are > tournaments that most teams have to attend if they want to play the > tour (which is most). Probably up to 40-50 teams will go to this. > > First some history... > Tour 1 2002 (Clifton) - £145 > Tour 1 2003 (Clifton) - £145 > Nationals 2003 (in London!) - £150 > Tour 1 2004 (Clifton) - £150 > Tour 1 2005 (Clifton) - £150 > Mixed Tour 1 2005 (Clifton) - £150 > Nationals 2006 - £180 > Tour 0 (Clifton) - £180 > Each of these years Clifton and/or Nationals have been the most > expensive events. > > How about some math... > Being pessimistic assuming only 40 teams...£180 * 40 = £7200 > > For this total price the players get pitches, camping (nationals > didn't even have this without paying extra last year), party and > prizes. Food is extra. > > The venue will charge a set fee for the lined pitches and the camping > spaces if provided. The schedule will be written by the DoC. Any > estimates? Highfields in Nottingham is around £1500... > > I'm just looking at the amount of work required and seeing the pricing > going up and up. It was asked at the UKUA conference for more > visibility (again) on tournament bids and the response was something > to the tune of..."it was felt that TD's should not be forced to > disclose their financial information (whether personal or for a club) > to the ultimate community". It's an interesting but not unexpected > comment given the two most potentially profited from events last year > were run by UKUA committee members. > > So if a venue costs £3000. Maybe London or something. A TD might pay > £200 on prizes. So there's £4000 left over. If you've got a good > job...a real good job you would work full-time for two full months > (aprox 320 hours) to make this kind of money. > > What would be great is considering this is a EUC GB team year is to > see the money from UKUA Tour events go towards helping these teams (or > at least the Juniors) practice and attend the European event in > Southampton and World event next year in Vancouver (which is going to > cost the attendees a bundle). Better than going into the pockets of a > few people lucky enough to have a hold on a good venue. > > In addition/closing...at the conference that it was suggested we > devise a plan to keep tournament prices down but they could not think > of an effective one, bar the teams paying the ukua and the ukua paying > for the pitches, which might raise some tax issues. > > If the trend continues, given the now 9 UKUA events a year with a > minimum profit of around £4000 we're talking £36000 of potential > earning that could go into developing the sport, funding national > squads, juniors programs that instead just disappears at the moment. > > Bring back the days of Kev Lowe's £80 charity tournament which I'd > have happily paid £180 for. > > Steve > > > > > > > On 14/02/07, Adam Batchelor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > TOUR ONE BRISTOL > > Ultimate Tournament > > 30th of March and the 1st of April > > > > www.bristoltours.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk > > > > Dear All > > > > You are invited to Bristol Tour Zero, the official UKU Tour > > qualifying event, which will be held at Clifton College Sports > > Ground, Abbots Leigh, Bristol on the weekend of the 30th of March > > and the 1st of April. The deadline for all entrants is 16th of March > > > > THIS TOURNAMENT SEEDS ALL TEAMS, OTHER THAN THE TOP 4 FROM LAST YEARS > > NATIONALS, FOR TOUR1, BOTH A & B TOURS. IE 1ST AT TOUR 0 IS SEEDED 5TH AT > > THE A TOUR AND 13TH AT TOUR 0 IS SEEDED 1ST IN THE BTOUR. > > > > ENTRY FEE - £140 for all student teams and £180 for all other teams. > > > > A separate Women's division may be run alongside dependant on the entry > > levels. > > > > CAMPING/B&B - On site camping available (free of charge) with 24hr toilet > > facilities open to all. Changing rooms with hot showers will be readily > > accessible. A list of local B&B / Guest Houses is attached. > > > > The campsite will be accessible from Friday evening, and the sports ground > > is keeping their bar open until around 2300hrs for anyone wishing to have a > > few beers before bed. > > > > GRUB/PARTY - A cheap food option of pasta and other quick stuff is > > available all day Saturday and Sunday as well as Saturday evening, followed > > by a party and a bar with a late licence until 1am. > > > > DIRECTIONS FOR THE SPORTS GROUND - From North, South, East or West: M5 - > > exit at Jct 19. Follow A369 towards Bristol for approximately 4 miles on a > > windy road through small villages until you see a narrow turning on the > > right hand side signed posted for Clifton Sports Ground. (Watch out as this > > turning can creep up on you - if you get to the traffic lights, you have > > gone too far! - this does not include the pedestrian crossing lights at the > > George Inn at Abbots Leigh Village). > > > > CAMPSITE - Instead of turning into the sports grounds you continue up to > > the traffic lights and turn right. 350 yards on the right hand side you > > will see a gate. This is the entrance to the camping area. Please pitch > > your tents in the bottom right hand side of the field. > > > > Matt & Adam > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > Tour Zero > > > > E-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Mobile: 07966 577 563 > > BRISTOL TOURS > > Ultimate Tournament > > > > Please send all entry forms to > > > > Mathew Edwards > > 7 Sloan Street > > St George > > Bristol > > BS5 7AD > > > > I ENCLOSE MY CHEQUE FOR £............. > > > > Please insert a cheque with the following written on the reverse > > Team name, team contact phone number and email address Make payable > > to Mathew Edwards. 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