I'm sorry but you are well out of touch of reality.  Go wild and do all
these things and more yourself.  What?  You want someone else to do it
for you?  Well pay for it then.

I'm all for constructive comments on bettering ultimate, tournaments,
etc.  I can live without moaners that want the moon on a stick and to
pay less for it and someone else to do it for them...

Jon


Luke Gomm wrote:
>  Well put! I'd also like to make a suggestion of promoting the sport in 
> schools etc, more investment for coaching workshops . How about an extra 
> "Ultimatum" magazine during the year. How about free physio at the venue too. 
> Price rises above inflation is GREED!
>  
> Most of all I'd like to see some investment into a proper promotional video 
> that can be put on a DVD and sent out to schools etc that is FREE! and can be 
> copied a distributed by anyone. I've not seen anything available and if there 
> is a DVD out there then it has been poorly promoted.  I'm sure the "Voice of 
> Ultimate" Mr Tom Styles would be keen to do this if the funding were 
> available.
>  
> I know that every time I go to my village green for chuck about I am swamped 
> by scores of kids ranging from 4 to 13 yrs that are so enthusiastic and 
> amazed and beg me to come to their school. Some of them even come knocking on 
> my door asking when next I'm going go to the village green. Now if that is 
> not an incentive to promote the sport . . .  Zulu 88 BAF
> 
> 
> 
>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:53:06 +0000> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
>> [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [BD] Fw: Tour 0 - The 
>> Price> > Um...£180?> > The trend is continuing to get a bit out of control. 
>> The last> official outdoor event of 2006 was Nationals which set a precedent 
>> of> charging a rather large £180 team fee.> > Now sure enough, first event 
>> of 2007 and we see £180 a team opening> the door for all other TDs to charge 
>> the same or more. These are> tournaments that most teams have to attend if 
>> they want to play the> tour (which is most). Probably up to 40-50 teams will 
>> go to this.> > First some history...> Tour 1 2002 (Clifton) - £145> Tour 1 
>> 2003 (Clifton) - £145> Nationals 2003 (in London!) - £150> Tour 1 2004 
>> (Clifton) - £150> Tour 1 2005 (Clifton) - £150> Mixed Tour 1 2005 (Clifton) 
>> - £150> Nationals 2006 - £180> Tour 0 (Clifton) - £180> Each of these years 
>> Clifton and/or Nationals have been the most> expensive events.> > How about 
>> some math
..> Being pessimistic assuming only 40 teams...£180 * 40 = £7200> > For this 
total price the players get pitches, camping (nationals> didn't even have this 
without paying extra last year), party and> prizes. Food is extra.> > The venue 
will charge a set fee for the lined pitches and the camping> spaces if 
provided. The schedule will be written by the DoC. Any> estimates? Highfields 
in Nottingham is around £1500...> > I'm just looking at the amount of work 
required and seeing the pricing> going up and up. It was asked at the UKUA 
conference for more> visibility (again) on tournament bids and the response was 
something> to the tune of..."it was felt that TD's should not be forced to> 
disclose their financial information (whether personal or for a club)> to the 
ultimate community". It's an interesting but not unexpected> comment given the 
two most potentially profited from events last year> were run by UKUA committee 
members.> > So if a venue costs £3000. Maybe London or someth
ing. A TD might pay> £200 on prizes. So there's £4000 left over. If you've got 
a good> job...a real good job you would work full-time for two full months> 
(aprox 320 hours) to make this kind of money.> > What would be great is 
considering this is a EUC GB team year is to> see the money from UKUA Tour 
events go towards helping these teams (or> at least the Juniors) practice and 
attend the European event in> Southampton and World event next year in 
Vancouver (which is going to> cost the attendees a bundle). Better than going 
into the pockets of a> few people lucky enough to have a hold on a good venue.> 
> In addition/closing...at the conference that it was suggested we> devise a 
plan to keep tournament prices down but they could not think> of an effective 
one, bar the> teams paying the ukua and the ukua paying for the pitches, which 
might> raise some tax issues.> > If the trend continues, given the now 9 UKUA 
events a year with a> minimum profit of around £4000 we're talking £3
6000 of potential> earning that could go into developing the sport, funding 
national> squads, juniors programs that instead just disappears at the moment.> 
> Bring back the days of Kev Lowe's £80 charity tournament which I'd> have 
happily paid £180 for.> > Steve> > > > > > > On 14/02/07, Adam Batchelor 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > TOUR ONE BRISTOL> > Ultimate Tournament> > 
30th of March and the 1st of April> >> > www.bristoltours.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk> 
>> > Dear All> >> > You are invited to Bristol Tour Zero, the official UKU Tour 
qualifying event, which will be held at Clifton College Sports Ground, Abbots 
Leigh, Bristol on the weekend of the 30th of March and the 1st of April. The 
deadline for all entrants is 16th of March> >> > THIS TOURNAMENT SEEDS ALL 
TEAMS, OTHER THAN THE TOP 4 FROM LAST YEARS NATIONALS, FOR TOUR1, BOTH A & B 
TOURS. IE 1ST AT TOUR 0 IS SEEDED 5TH AT THE A TOUR AND 13TH AT TOUR 0 IS 
SEEDED 1ST IN THE BTOUR.> >> > ENTRY FEE - £140 for all stude
nt teams and £180 for all other teams.> >> > A separate Women's division may be 
run alongside dependant on the entry levels.> >> > CAMPING/B&B - On site 
camping available (free of charge) with 24hr toilet facilities open to all. 
Changing rooms with hot showers will be readily accessible. A list of local B&B 
/ Guest Houses is attached.> >> > The campsite will be accessible from Friday 
evening, and the sports ground is keeping their bar open until around 2300hrs 
for anyone wishing to have a few beers before bed.> >> > GRUB/PARTY - A cheap 
food option of pasta and other quick stuff is available all day Saturday and 
Sunday as well as Saturday evening, followed by a party and a bar with a late 
licence until 1am.> >> > DIRECTIONS FOR THE SPORTS GROUND - From North, South, 
East or West: M5 - exit at Jct 19. Follow A369 towards Bristol for 
approximately 4 miles on a windy road through small villages until you see a 
narrow turning on the right hand side signed posted for Clifton Sport
s Ground. (Watch out as this turning can creep up on you - if you get to the 
traffic lights, you have gone too far! - this does not include the pedestrian 
crossing lights at the George Inn at Abbots Leigh Village).> >> > CAMPSITE - 
Instead of turning into the sports grounds you continue up to the traffic 
lights and turn right. 350 yards on the right hand side you will see a gate. 
This is the entrance to the camping area. Please pitch your tents in the bottom 
right hand side of the field.> >> > Matt & Adam> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> 
>> >> > Tour Zero> >> > E-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Mobile: 07966 577 
563> > BRISTOL TOURS> > Ultimate Tournament> >> > Please send all entry forms 
to> >> > Mathew Edwards> > 7 Sloan Street> > St George> > Bristol> > BS5 7AD> 
>> > I ENCLOSE MY CHEQUE FOR £.............> >> > Please insert a cheque with 
the following written on the reverse> > Team name, team contact phone number
 and email address> > Make payable to Mathew Edwards. Any comments you can 
supply on seeding position would be helpful.> >> > 
NAME:...............................> >> > 
TEAM:...............................> >> > 
ADDRESS:.............................> >> > 
..............................................................................> 
> POSTCODE:.............> >> > TEL:.................MOBILE:...........> >> > 
E-MAIL ADDRESS: ............................> >> > Team Seeding Details> >> > 
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