Felix et al I recognise the difficulty in seeding teams and such, please don't think my comment was critical of the effort put in by tournament organisers to try to do this.
Yes, there tends to be limited movement, but with no MT0, we have to recognise the possibility for mis-seeding. Right now, the team seeded 24th (Naoise Murphy) can finish as high as 13th, while the one seeded 25th (Emu 2) can only finish 21st. having only a few crossover games can help redress this (see sugestion below). I'm glad there may be some accommodation for possible mis-seeding after MT1 - but I see two potential problems with the system proposed (teams appeal or put a case forward): 1st - it relies on subjective judgement. E.g. I write after the tour and say 'I think we were underseeded because our point differential on the weekend was 75-10 (or whatever). OK, that sounds good... but what about another team where it was a 60-20 point differential? There is no clear line really which means it gets tricky. 2nd - By re-seeding after MT1 and before MT2, I could imagine some teams feeling rather short-changed. A team that gets bumped down below another team they never played, may argue it is unfair - there is no way of knowing who is the better team. So personally, I still think adding some kind of crossovers on Saturday solves both these problems. You get to actually play a team in the bracket above to prove your worth to move up, and a team which looses to a team below can't really argue with that if they played and lost. This does not need to be complicated. You could just have 6 crossovers which lets teams at the top of their pool after Saturday have a shot at the bracket higher: e.g.: A4-F1 B4-E1 (so top of E and F have a shot at the 5-12) C4-H1 D4-G1 (so top of G and H have a shot at 13-20) E4-K1 F4-J1 (so top of J and K have a shot at 21-28) This is only 6 games, and only teams that won or lost their pools have to do it - but I think it adds a good corrective element, it does not require any additional schedule changes if you do it Saturday at 6:00 (to give teams a rest if they just played), and I'd imagine most teams would want the opportunity to do it if they win their pool. I'm curious though if other teams agree at all, or think Felix's suggestion is better? -Justin __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
