> Super peer pool gives one team a shot at the top 4 realistically,

There's a 4v5 and a 3v6 match, which I'd say are two realistic shots
at the top 4.  I think only one of these games went against seed this
season.

> and gives too much protection to the 4th seeded team who now aren't as 
> different in
> quality to the 5th seed in comparison to last year.

The winner of the 5-8 group plays the loser of the 1-4 group, so the
4v5 match is the BEST from 5-8 vs the loser from 1-4, so is most
likely to cause an 'upset' from the top 4.  In the 1-8 peer pool
structure, the 4v5 is played within the group, and it's possible that
the 6th seed happens to be better than 5th (and 4th), yet 4th seed
only has to play 5th seed (and 7th), so I'd say 4th is actually more
'protected' in 1-8 standard peer pools, and much more up for grabs in
super peer pools.

> You can't prepare to improve by only playing teams the same standard as you.

Isn't the whole of the Open Tour worked out so that teams have as many
tight, close fought, competitive games as possible?  I'm not saying
you can't learn by playing a team you have no real chance of beating,
but I think you learn more by playing closely matched games, and by
taking the time to watch Iceni play from the sideline, or on one of
the many DVDs available.  Is it fair to ask all ~15 players on a top
seeded team to play a game in which they learn nothing, and perhaps
even get into bad habits, when you haven't tried spending £4 to watch
Iceni beat Leeds in '07, or Bliss in '06, to see if you can learn
similar things to what you'd learn by playing against them?

> For teams playing 5-8, they don't have to go to the States, there is 
> aspirational
> quality teams in the bracket above them, and we want a shot.

In every super peer pool format, if you finish 1st or 2nd in the pool
of 5-8, then you get your shot against 4th or 3rd respectively... so
if you earn your shot, you get your shot.

> My gut feeling is that 2/3 of tours being super peer pools is too much,...
> like to hear from Leeds or Bristol on the matter

Perhaps it is too much - it's impossible to please everybody, so when
changes like moving to super-peer-pools have gone through, it's only
after communicating via email with the majority of the women's Tour
teams, explaining what the format would mean, getting opinions, votes,
alternative suggestions, etc.  Not everybody is on email / BD, so
maybe the best solution would be to set up a new group with 1 contact
per team and have a vote on stuff like this, assuming we want the
Women's Tour to be majority rule.

In the Open Tour, Tour 0 really serves two purposes - seeding T1 so it
can start competitively, and giving the lower teams a shot at the
higher ones (though they still don't get to play the top 4).  Perhaps
one or two walkover-style games at the start of the women's season
isn't too much to ask from the top Women's teams, but perhaps it is
when there wouldn't be much other point (no real seeding necessity) to
W Tour 0 - so I'm interested to hear from the rest of them also.

Felix

ps. this email comes from being part of the scheduling group, the
competitions committee, the women's board as uni women's coordinator,
and being the producer & seller of ultimate DVDs, but nobody in any of
those groups necessarily agrees with what I've said, except the DVD
sales of course which say barely any UK women ulti players buy DVDs (I
sell more to the german ladies!)

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