As a parent who took a little person to mixed tour, it is a concern. When we played on some pitches, the only place we could set up shop was the 2m spacing between the pitches. Other pitches were much better as there was spacing provided by the cricket square or some other feature that I forget. Obviously as our little person is really quite little (18 months) we made sure there was always someone with her and she didn't go too near the sideline/disc.
As my husband and I play on the same team it is inevitable that our daughter will be on the sidelines of our game unless Dan and I play one game on, one game off with each other. We could've set up a space for our daughter at the foot of pitches but that would've had significant playing implications as our team couldn't have looked after Catherine as they were being sideline on the sideline rather than the footline.... I think with just a little more space between the pitches it would certainly ease the concerns of parents, plus lessen the laying out on to bikes/nalgenes/other things that cause owiness. I think the other emailers are right that the problem with this is the trying to shoehorn a bazillion teams in to a small space . How do the other side live? What space is available at North American top tournaments (ECC and the such?). It would be interesting to compare. Certainly at the international tournaments I've played at the spacing between pitches has seemed slightly bigger. Where do the guidelines come from? UKU or WFDF? Re: legality I'm fairly sure we have personal liability covered by the UKU so if someone landed on Catherine and we got persuaded by a no win no fee solicitor type thing I think our UKU membership covers such an eventuality, and the liability of the TDs presuming everyone followed the guidelines. Si? Nicole Brighton etc. ________________________________ From: Jazz <[email protected]> To: britdisc <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [BD] Rules of ultimate This is an issue that's probably been swept under the carpet for a while now. I'm sure we've all seen players collide with bags, spectators, other players etc, with varying degrees of injury. My own personal pet hate is when players dump their bicycles between adjoining pitches, but that would all be nothing compared to landing on someone's kid. In any such event, who might be liable - the player, the UKU (as the official sanctioning body of the tournament), or the TD for not enforcing distance guidelines? Demand from teams encourages TDs to squeeze in as many fields as possible. Perhaps this potential liability, or some pressure from the UKU might encourage them to ensure proper pitch spacing. That said, I think there's also a point about us as players respecting the sidelines and distances too. All the best folks Jazz Thundering Herd On 3 Apr 2012, at 14:09, Luke Tobiasiewicz <[email protected]> wrote: > Regarding kids ... Despite the relatively small chance of discs > hitting kids on the sideline there is a much greater likelihood of > players running into / jumping on or laying through spectators on the > sideline. I have seen a lot of examples of this including layouts into > a buggy (luckly empty), through a seated spectator (not so lucky) as > well as personally landing on a small kid (I was pretty shaken and > luckily no lasting damage). > > I know there are UKU & WFDF guidelines in place regarding distances > between pitches & other things (5m) and location of spectators (within > 2m should be able to move out the way quickly). Perhaps these need to > be enforced more strictly on / by TD's ... perhaps the rules needs to > be tightened up somewhat ... eg: Nothing to be within 2m of the pitch: > bags, people, waterbottles, discs. This would have the added benefit > of reducing the number of times you have to ask spectators to clear a > sideline ... or kick bags out the way ... or wind yourself (or worse) > landing on one of those dammed unbreakable nalgenes :-) > > Luke T > > On Apr 3, 2012 1:03 PM, "Paul Waite" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> no change in rules in turnovers section 13 of WFDF 2009 >> 13.1.7. the thrower has not released the disc before the marker first >>starts to say the >> word “ten” in the stall count (a “stall-out”) >> >> V >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Felix <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012, 12:35 >> Subject: Re: [BD] Rules of ultimate >> >> Hi Dan, >> >> You'll find a lot of people claim the rules have recently changed, this is >> usually because they trust somebody who has recently got the rules wrong. >> I've seen people I trust get the rules wrong, and I've gotten the rules >> wrong in at least one important situation myself - memory and >> interpretation are never perfect, so instead I recommend reading through >> the current rules at the start of each season, as rule discussions during >> games are almost inevitable it seems - and you want at least half a leg to >> stand on. >> To my knowledge there have been no WFDF rule changes since 2009. >> >> Regarding kids on the sidelines, I also worry about that - I've seen many a >> high disc come down hard and fast five meters out the side of the pitch... >> but I guess it's a question of likelihood, and in reality we're talking >> about 1 in 10,000 chance it'll come down on a buggy or something, if one is >> on the sideline. Still, I don't like those odds (though I did just make >> them up). >> >> I've seen odd tournaments / leagues in the USA where they have areas where >> kids and toddlers are being supervised - not sure whether it's a voluntary >> thing with parents taking shifts or what, but as the sport (and thus the >> players of the sport) mature, perhaps it's something someone should think >> about making happen over here too. >> >> Felix >> >> >> >> On 31 March 2012 10:20, Daniel Ferneyhough <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Morning Britdisc, >>> >>> After hearing a few times over the past couple of weeks about changes to >>> rules, specifically stall outs being the n of ten instead of t, I went on a >>> search for clarification. As yet I haven't found anything in the 2009 wfdf >>> rules (the current rules used by ukua), please can someone confirm deny >>> this? >>> >>> Also, at mt1 last week, I noticed a number of small children on the >>> sidelines of games, not always directly supervised. I was wondering what >>> the ukua's stance is on this and what measures they have in place to >>> mitigate the risk of injury by player or disc. Whilst I completely >>> understand parents bringing their children to competition, when they are >>> sitting so close to sidelines there is a risk that they could get caught up >>> in play. Whilst this hasn't happened yet, this could have terrible >>> consequences for the child, the players involved and the sport in the uk. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dan Ferneyhough >>> __________________________________________________ >>> BritDisc mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >>> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> BritDisc mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed >> __________________________________________________ >> BritDisc mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > > __________________________________________________ > BritDisc mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
