On 03/08/2012 05:49 PM, Pavol Luptak wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 12:22:28AM +0100, Ondrej Mikle wrote: >> >> Plausible deniability az na specialne pripady (napr. provozovani Tor exit >> node) >> nepomoze, podobne ako to nepomohlo Manningovi s OTR. Celkom dobre to >> ilustruje > > Vies o jednom pripade, kedy bol niekto realne stihany a kriminalizovany za > prevadzku Tor exit-nodeu? Teda myslim normalne krajiny zapadneho sveta, nie > nejaky Pakistan, ci Iran.
Jj, ved tvrdim presne to iste :-) Ale viem o typkovi v CR, kde za nim dosli monocajti kvoli provozovani Tor exit node (a matne sa mi mari, ze niekomu v "zapadnom svete" na chvilu zhabali HW a potom vratili, ale musel by som pohladat; aj ked technicky k zalobe nedoslo). > To, ze niekto skonci vo vazeni, lebo "niekto iny" si mysli, ze na tom > sifrovanom disku ma detsku pornografiu a pritom to nevie nijako dokazat > (lebo nevie k nemu heslo), je podla mna uplne potlacenie individualnych slobod > a je to uplne nespravne. To je sice pravda, ale k sudu sa nechodi pre spravodlivost, ale pre rozsudok. >> Jon Callas na [email protected]: >> >>> There is no such thing as plausible deniability in a legal context. >>> >>> Plausible deniability is a term that comes from conspiracy theorists (and >>> like many things contains a kernel of truth) to describe a political >>> technique where everyone knows what happened but the people who did it just >>> assert that it can't be proven, along with a wink and a nudge. >>> >>> But to get to the specifics here, I've spoken to law enforcement and border >>> control people in a country that is not the US, who told me that yeah, they >>> know all about TrueCrypt and their assumption is that *everyone* who has >>> TrueCrypt has a hidden volume and if they find TrueCrypt they just get >>> straight to getting the second password. They said, "We know about that >>> trick, and we're not stupid." > > "We are not stupid" znamena, ze s tym dokazu nieco robit? :-) > > Chcu drzat daneho cloveka nekonecne dlhu dobu, kym nepovie heslo? Asi zavisi ci si Assange alebo iny vysoko-profilovy pripad. Inak ti tam mozu trebars supnut nejaky trojan (kedze maju fyzicky pristup). > A nutit ho povedat "druhe heslo", ked nemaju ziadnu istotu, ze to druhe heslo > vobec existuje a nevedia mu to nijako dokazat? Zlozky exekutivy maju dost dlhe skusenosti s donucovanim, takze na nejakych geekoch co nemaju skusenost, im to moze vyjst. Nie kazdy znasa niekolkomesacny pobyt v cele predbezneho zadrzania dobre (kde su vsetky skupiny od podvodnikov az po vrahov zmixovane). OM _______________________________________________ Brmlab mailing list [email protected] http://brmlab.cz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
